Signed contract last night, deposit paid!

Is the AC unit up there new also??? As in has it always been up there? Why is the AC unit up there? HOW did you get it up there??

Kim

Hahahaha....yeah, that threw me the first time I saw one like that too ;)

In many older constructions and depending on what's allowed for a newer construction, the AC units are heat pump type where the condenser and evaporator are physically built together in the same space. So to make the duct work easier, you place the unit on the roof. In my house, the condenser and evaporator are split up with the condenser coil outside and the evaporator in a separate mechanical closet (in my case I have two, one in the garage and one in a separate closet with outdoor access).

Being on the roof saves yard space but makes repairs more challenging and also cuts down on the life of the unit (more extreme heat on a rooftop). Many new HOA developments don't allow rooftop installations anymore for aesthetic reasons.


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Hahahaha....yeah, that threw me the first time I saw one like that too ;)

In many older constructions and depending on what's allowed for a newer construction, the AC units are heat pump type where the condenser and evaporator are physically built together in the same space. So to make the duct work easier, you place the unit on the roof. In my house, the condenser and evaporator are split up with the condenser coil outside and the evaporator in a separate mechanical closet (in my case I have two, one in the garage and one in a separate closet with outdoor access).

Being on the roof saves yard space but makes repairs more challenging and also cuts down on the life of the unit (more extreme heat on a rooftop). Many new HOA developments don't allow rooftop installations anymore for aesthetic reasons.


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I couldn't have said it better myself. Packaged units vs split systems. My home was built in 1988, packaged roof systems were common. Most new construction uses split systems now. I replaced the original unit in July 2013 and they had to hoist the new one up with a crane from the street.

I am so amazed at how much power HOA have. I can agree to some rules and homes are somewhat better kept in neighborhoods with HOA but I can't stand being told what I can and can't do with my property. My neighborhood is well kept and we do not have an HOA. I guess I'm lucky. I still cannot believe some of the posts I read on here that people have to get HOA approval to put a pool in their own backyard!!! This is absolutely mind blowing to me!! Anyways, rant over.

Roofing and electrical today and tomorrow. Hopefully 1st inspection on the pool sometime this week.


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I am so amazed at how much power HOA have. I can agree to some rules and homes are somewhat better kept in neighborhoods with HOA but I can't stand being told what I can and can't do with my property. My neighborhood is well kept and we do not have an HOA. I guess I'm lucky. I still cannot believe some of the posts I read on here that people have to get HOA approval to put a pool in their own backyard!!! This is absolutely mind blowing to me!! Anyways, rant over.
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I totally understand where you're coming from as I grew up in NY and I had never heard of an HOA prior to coming to the west. But I would like to offer a counter-point since I LOVE living in an HOA (full disclosure - I'm the vice president of our HOA board).

Everyone that moves into an HOA signs a legally binding contract called the "Covenants, Conditions & Restrictions" or CC&R's. So, if a home buyer chooses to live in an HOA, then, before buying, they should obtain a copy of the CC&R's and read it (in fact, real estate agents are required to provide potential home buyers with the CC&R's prior to entering into contract). If you feel you can't abide by the CC&R's, then it makes no sense to buy the home. CC&R's protect the value of the community property (common spaces, playgrounds, community pools, etc) and individual homes by enforcing restrictions and requiring each homeowner to abide by a set of commonly adopted and approved community standards. These standards are not "imposed" by an arbitrary body but are typically developed and enacted by the entire community. All changes and updates are required to be approved by a vote of the entire community and the HOA Board is composed entirely of community homeowners. So, in essence, nothing happens in the community without the approval of the homeowners themselves. While it seems like that might take away some "rights" you have to your property, in essence the restrictions are typically fairly light & easy to abide by, only apply to community property or parts of your property that are visible to the community and are things most people consider common sense anyway (like not having a half-assembled car up on blocks in your front yard).

For example, my neighbor's son decided he was going to help out his parents and trim the trees on their property for them. When he was done, he left his landscape trailer, full of tree debris, parked in their driveway for over three weeks. Our CC&Rs clearly flag that as a violation and, while we let it go for 3 weeks, we could not let it go indefinitely. The homeowner was notified of the unsightly infraction and, without any threats of fines being leveled (which we were well within our rights as a community to impose), the trailer was gone the very next day. So, in this case, the CC&R's did what they were supposed to do. If we lived in a neighborhood with no HOA, then that neighbor of mine could have easily left that ugly trailer in the front of his property indefinitely and there would be no recourse.

In another example, the CC&R's clearly state that all homeowners must keep their front yards rocked. There are two homes in our community where the front yards (dating back to the original homebuyers) were never rocked. Rocking a yard is a good thing here because of dust and water erosion, but it is expensive (several thousand dollars to add landscape rocks to a large front yard). Because we understand the financial burden that is, the Board has allowed those yards to go un-rocked but we are looking at ways of using our HOA's savings (we all pay a monthly HOA fee) to help-out those homeowners. My yard is rocked; it cost a lot of money. Now I could be ticked off that those neighbors of mine are getting "helped out" when I did not, especially using HOA funds that I partially pay into. But I choose to look at it this way - their yards are ugly and that ugliness lowers the value of my property. Water erosion when it rains sends barrels full of debris into other people's yards and the common street we all share because those fronts are not rocked. So this is a community issue that we're all happy to work on because it affects everyone. Again, if we did not have an HOA, everyone around those two homes would have absolutely no recourse in fixing the problem and would have to live with neighbors not keeping up their properties.

Now I do agree that there are HOA's that go a bit overboard in their CC&R's and you could always land in a community with a "Gestapo-minded" board president who walks around the neighborhood looking for trouble. That does happen and is annoying but is taken care of by the board election process. I happen to live in a 12 home community, so we all know each other and we rarely have to bring things up at community meetings. Larger HOAs (like ones with 50 or more homes) tend to be more restrictive to live in and it's harder (or, I should say, takes more effort) to get involved in the HOA but it's not impossible.

One interesting area of HOA laws is that most states (especially here in AZ) have adopted what are called "solar access laws" which effectively strip HOAs of any ability to impede a homeowner from installing either solar electric or solar heating systems (roof-top or land-based). This was done specifically to make it easier for homeowners to install solar without legal hang-ups from restrictive CC&Rs. I happen to agree with solar access laws in general but I know many "older" HOA community boards that hate them. Unfortunately for some, there's no analogue to access-laws for pool installations (although in our CC&R's there no direct restriction on pools just a requirement for sign-off from the architectural review committee to make sure you're not installing a 72-ft water slide that is 3 stories high).

Sorry for the long counter-point, but I hope I was able to at least demonstrate that there is some value to being in an HOA. But I do understand that HOA's are not for everyone and I know enough people that hate their HOA boards because of some of the personalities on them. So, if we ever moved, I would always do lots of homework prior to buying a home in an HOA.
 
I am so amazed at how much power HOA have. I can agree to some rules and homes are somewhat better kept in neighborhoods with HOA but I can't stand being told what I can and can't do with my property. My neighborhood is well kept and we do not have an HOA. I guess I'm lucky. I still cannot believe some of the posts I read on here that people have to get HOA approval to put a pool in their own backyard!!! This is absolutely mind blowing to me!! Anyways, rant over.
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To me its the fact that you have to ask whenever anything is going to get done at home. Its absurd. JoyfulNoise is correct. There is always the "we're letting you know" paper work. I don't think anyone can misinterpret that. it looks like i'll be looking for property next year and we've already told our realtor to not throw us anything with rules on it. lol. We are looking for at least 3 acres so its a little different. Recently my boss was renovating his home. As he completed it, weeks later he decided to go through with an outdoor kitchen design he had postponed. Shortly after beginning the work he was hit with a letter and some kind of fine for proceeding without notice. His permit was non expired so he thought why not. Wrong! :)
 
To me its the fact that you have to ask whenever anything is going to get done at home. Its absurd. JoyfulNoise is correct. There is always the "we're letting you know" paper work. I don't think anyone can misinterpret that. it looks like i'll be looking for property next year and we've already told our realtor to not throw us anything with rules on it. lol. We are looking for at least 3 acres so its a little different. Recently my boss was renovating his home. As he completed it, weeks later he decided to go through with an outdoor kitchen design he had postponed. Shortly after beginning the work he was hit with a letter and some kind of fine for proceeding without notice. His permit was non expired so he thought why not. Wrong! :)

Yeah, i can see that. What makes our HOA different (and possibly unique) is that we do not have or use an HOA Management company. Many large HOA's (20+ homes) use a management company to run the day-to-day operations of the community. So the management company is responsible for "code enforcement" and they will follow the rules to the letter of the law. However, ultimate power in any HOA resides with the HOA Board and so your manager could have approached the board, explained his situation and then the Board can tell the management company to back down. A lot of these "issues" tend to come to a head because homeowners either don't understand their rights within an HOA community or they do not do simple face-to-face follow-up with their Board and then things are left to fester and turn into personal vitriol (i.e., "Geez, isn't the Board a bunch jack-boots!" etc). A lot of times, a simple phone call to the Board president can easily clear things up. And most boards WANT to be responsive to their community because the last thing you want are nasty, interpersonal fights.

Anyway, so as to avoid hijacking this thread any further, I'll put my HOA soap box back in the closet and say,

Hey azjoshers79, NICE covered deck!! I hope the electrical goes smooth, can't wait to see the pool!!! Don't forget that rainwater collection barrel ;)
 
:goodpost: , so how promising are the floor cleaning system seen in the pictures? I've seen several with it around the forum but down here where I'm from I can't say they are very popular. Looks like an awesome build!

I have a friend that has one and absolutely love it. My previous pool did not have in floor and I went from a zodiac to a robot and had nothing but problems. Also talked to others here in AZ and they seem to like them. In the southwest dust and dirt are our biggest problems and if the infloor is engineered right, they can be very effective to pushing sediment to the main drain. I have made sure to plumb separate returns so the infloor can be bypassed if there are any problems.

Seems most folks back east don't like them. Not sure why, I suspect is the additional costs. Pools are already so much more expensive back east, adding an infloor, just adds costs. It's mind blowing some of the costs to build a pool back east. My pool would be close to 90k in many parts of the country.


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I have a friend that has one and absolutely love it. My previous pool did not have in floor and I went from a zodiac to a robot and had nothing but problems. Also talked to others here in AZ and they seem to like them. In the southwest dust and dirt are our biggest problems and if the infloor is engineered right, they can be very effective to pushing sediment to the main drain. I have made sure to plumb separate returns so the infloor can be bypassed if there are any problems.

Seems most folks back east don't like them. Not sure why, I suspect is the additional costs. Pools are already so much more expensive back east, adding an infloor, just adds costs. It's mind blowing some of the costs to build a pool back east. My pool would be close to 90k in many parts of the country.


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Agree for the most part except I'm not that far from you in Tucson (ok, it's a 2 hours south but at least we're in the same state!) and there are plenty of pools old & new around here that are built without in-floor systems. My pool gets lots of leaf litter and landscape debris (with a lot going into the skimmer) where an in-floor wouldn't help much with that. My pool floor is easily cleaned by my suction-side cleaner. The costs of in-floor systems have come down quite a lot in recent years and their quality and reliability have gotten much better. In the past, in-floor systems were often built using larger pumps that most people did not want to run and so you had the big up-front cost as well as the bigger electric bills. Automation and variable speed pumps have made that situation much better.

It's funny that we went from talking about HOA's which can be a "hot topic" for some to in-floors which also has a tendency to bring out the "true believers" versus "the contrarians". I think the in-floor discussion is a lot like politics, you probably have 10-15% on either side of the extremes and then most people in the middle who are like, "Meh, no big deal! I can live with it either way."
 
I think here on the east coast our greatest struggle is with leaves, and maybe the system isn't good at dealing with them? But my pool build isn't even complete -- I am basing my comment on the debris gathering in my concrete shell. :)

Re: HOA's, we have one but it just provides basic rules we have to follow, and we pay a tiny annual fee to maintain common areas. No need for approval to build...whatever, but expectation is that an RV parked in the neighborhood (for example) would be frowned upon. Frowning neighbors are incentive enough -- nobody wants to be kicked off of the women's tennis club or book club, or miss the progressive dinner parties!
 
...whatever, but expectation is that an RV parked in the neighborhood (for example) would be frowned upon. Frowning neighbors are incentive enough -- nobody wants to be kicked off of the women's tennis club or book club, or miss the progressive dinner parties!

LOL....I giggle-spat coffee on that last comment...well played, Helen, well-played indeed :)

Actually, we did have a parked RV issue. One of the homeowners has since moved on (two now actually) and they have renters. Unfortunately, our CC&R's do not limit rentals (some HOA's do restrict the number of rentals allowed in a community) and the renters can be a real PITA to deal with because, as an HOA, we're only allowed to deal directly with the homeowner. It's since been resolved but it was an issue for many weeks two summers ago.

As for the frowning ladies...hahahaha, the HOA president's wife walks the community with two other mom's in the neighborhood. She's a good soul but man, definitely don't want the "evil eye" from her....I run outside to sweep the porch every time I see her walk by just to keep the "Gazing Eye Mordor" away ;)
 

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When we moved to Arizona my wife wanted nothing to do with any property in a HOA community. But since we were down sizing from an established neighborhood in Hingham, MA, where all the houses were on a one acre or more lot, to a brand new area with new houses very close together, there was some concern about the ongoing upkeep of the neighborhood standards.

Upon reading the CC&Rs my wife was struck by how many rules and how restrictive.
I said: "Imagine we get the worst neighbor right across the street. He lets weeds grow waist high, parks an old truck in the middle of his front yard on concrete blocks, paint peeling on the house, when he does paint the house it's bright purple with yellow trim. Now, these rules are to tell him what he can't do."

Suddenly, the rules didn't look so bad. Everyone agrees that there should be certain standards that should be maintained. When people say they hate HOA rules, what they really mean is the hate the rules being applied to them.

My wife who was so against moving to a HOA community is now the president of our 1,360 home HOA.
BTW: The most common way a HOA gets sued by homeowners is for NOT enforcing their rules or selectively enforcing them.
 
My wife who was so against moving to a HOA community is now the president of our 1,360 home HOA.
BTW: The most common way a HOA gets sued by homeowners is for NOT enforcing their rules or selectively enforcing them.

WOW, 1360 homes!! That must be fun trying to get a quorum of homeowners to attend annual meetings. Where do you guys run the annual meeting? At the Westin LaPaloma ballroom :)

Spot on with H/O lawsuits. The rock problem I mentioned in my first post is a direct result of previous HOA presidents and boards being loose with the rules. We've inherited a lot of old "handshake" agreements that forces us to tread lightly on some rules because a historical precedent was set to ignore certain community standards. It can be very frustrating sometimes when you hear a homeowner say, "Well so-n-so let us get away with it years ago. Why are you bringing it up now??"

I don't envy your wife, I know how hard running a board can be. Best wishes to her ;)


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We are actively trying to get our HOA disbanded at the house in Alabama. No common areas and all they do is fine, fine, fine for every little thing. Or mow your lawn and then lien your house to get repaid for it. But, unattended vehicles get left for months.
 
WOW, 1360 homes!! That must be fun trying to get a quorum of homeowners to attend annual meetings. Where do you guys run the annual meeting? At the Westin LaPaloma ballroom :)

Spot on with H/O lawsuits. The rock problem I mentioned in my first post is a direct result of previous HOA presidents and boards being loose with the rules. We've inherited a lot of old "handshake" agreements that forces us to tread lightly on some rules because a historical precedent was set to ignore certain community standards. It can be very frustrating sometimes when you hear a homeowner say, "Well so-n-so let us get away with it years ago. Why are you bringing it up now??"

I don't envy your wife, I know how hard running a board can be. Best wishes to her ;)


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My wife just corrected me. There are only 1,326 homes in the HOA,(the one across from us has over 5,000). Quorum for annual meeting requires 10% either present or voting by absentee. We can usually wrestle up 133 voting homeowners for the annual. If we are short, as we were one year, the vacancies on the board are filled by appointment. As long as there is a voting quorum of the board members they are allowed to appoint. We seldom have more candidates for the board than open positions. We generally have to beg people to get involved, so I guess there aren't too many irate homeowners.

It's usually pretty easy to deal with your HOA. Just carefully read the rules in the CC&Rs and Design Guidelines, and follow them. If you take the time to design a project that meets the guidelines and submit the proper request, it all gets approved. If you build something without ever referring to or following the rules, you are just asking for a confrontation with your HOA. It's pretty similar to applying for building permits.

As far as complying with other rules just remember, one person's idea of a "chickens**t" rule is a very important issue to another homeowner.
 

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