- May 3, 2014
- 62,821
- Pool Size
- 6000
- Surface
- Fiberglass
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Pool's milky green-ness seems VERY stubborn
- Thread starter AndyPTx
- Start date
I have been kicking myself since some time ago for not pressing them more strongly at the start that even the expected chlorine cost to clean their mess up - given the small pool - would be highly worth considering. For money, AND simplicity, AND time.
I think I may have to think of a way to broach with them the choice between a fresh start or $70 on a test kit - or ideally the kit *regardless* of a drain/refill or otherwise...
I'm frustrated that I have cleaned up my pool at least twice - once from pretty gross - and yet i am failing them.
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I meant the expected chlorine for the mess, in a small pool, *meant a drain/refill* should be seriously considered...
I think I may have to think of a way to broach with them the choice between a fresh start or $70 on a test kit - or ideally the kit *regardless* of a drain/refill or otherwise...
I'm frustrated that I have cleaned up my pool at least twice - once from pretty gross - and yet i am failing them.
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I meant the expected chlorine for the mess, in a small pool, *meant a drain/refill* should be seriously considered...
Mknauss
Thank you Sir!
At $30 for the chlorine portion of the testing and $11 for the cya - that's already $41 of the $70 for everything!
Seems like a no-brainer.
(Now what to sell to find $70 spare cash in what is proving a tight month...)
Thank you Sir!
At $30 for the chlorine portion of the testing and $11 for the cya - that's already $41 of the $70 for everything!
Seems like a no-brainer.
(Now what to sell to find $70 spare cash in what is proving a tight month...)
You are not failing them! It is their pool and their responsibility. It is really nice that you’re trying to help them, and I hope you can talk them into a decent test kit. But in the end it is really their choice whether not they want to have a nice clean pool or they want to continue throwing money down the drain!
Jellyfish (yep - still does it!)
Kellyfair - thank you for your kind words. Having cleaned my own pool and reassured them I would help them by cleaning theirs, which i have failed to do - this is of course why I feel I've let them down.
They ARE however very nice and understanding about it. It WAS a gross dark green swamp whereas they can now see all the way straight through to the other side and see the seam on the other side where the wall meets the floor.
A-AND - YAY!!
- a TF100 
is winging it's way to them as we speak 
So I can get you resident genii (pl. of genius?!) your numbers, in case I remain stumped (regarding the lack of 'gin-clarity' and loss of any and all chlorine added regardless of quantity) once all the information is at hand - because I KNOW all y'all won't be! :study::idea:
Kellyfair - thank you for your kind words. Having cleaned my own pool and reassured them I would help them by cleaning theirs, which i have failed to do - this is of course why I feel I've let them down.
They ARE however very nice and understanding about it. It WAS a gross dark green swamp whereas they can now see all the way straight through to the other side and see the seam on the other side where the wall meets the floor.
A-AND - YAY!!
- a TF100 is winging it's way to them as we speak So I can get you resident genii (pl. of genius?!) your numbers, in case I remain stumped (regarding the lack of 'gin-clarity' and loss of any and all chlorine added regardless of quantity) once all the information is at hand - because I KNOW all y'all won't be! :study::idea:
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Ok - been awhile but their TF100 arrived in good time (thanks guys!) - been plugging away with that - now with half a clue what I'm working with!
Pool is clear as in can see right thru it unobstructed but I'm not sure I'd call it crystal clear (blue, gin-clear, like can't see water there). But by now could that faint green be in my mind? Might their liner colour have taken on a hint of green that I can't tell? Might it be a general 'reflection' from all the trees around?
Been holding shock (18 - oops! Should be 16 but remembered 18 from my 45cya!) for the re-acquired 40 cya.
Yesterday evening:
FC 18? (wasn't sure if I did one extra drop; swirled a bit careless and just a TOUCH of it slopped over/out.
Ran FC again and got 19.5?
CC .5 both times (barely pink - 1 drop & gone)
CH irrelevant for vinyl? Tested once and was not sky high but don't recall the number
CYA 40 on repeated tests across days
TA WA-AAY up around 200!?!
pH tested as clearly above 8.2 but don't recall if I did this in the brief moment their FC was <10.
Stupidly and forgetfully added muriatic acid to bring that (& TA) down - with FC at shock (18).
pH last test SHOWED 7.3 but who knows? (FC at 18)
This morning (and yesterday was a very un-Texan cloudy day as is this morning) :
FC definitely 18
CC .5 again
CYA still 40
Didn't bother with CH, pH, or TA.
Is it true that pool $tores manage to manage metal tests pretty well? They said all were zero and if I recall in this thread one of you felt metals were not the issue (?)
I'm not sure how well they're brushing - I'm gonna get on them more about that - have their young son grab a brush awhile whenever he's in.
Could inadequate brushing lead to a perfect OCLT but still a green tint (assuming I'm not imagining it) ?
Before I get even lo-onger (as ever :blah: ) I will shut up and give chance to hear from some smart people instead of just myself...!...
OCLT perfect - 18 and 18; .5 and .5
CYA 40, TA sky high (200ish), pH - ??!! (SAYS 7.3)
Green tint - or my imagination - in their 6000G pool-in-a-box with all standard pumps, cartridge filters, etc)
Pool is clear as in can see right thru it unobstructed but I'm not sure I'd call it crystal clear (blue, gin-clear, like can't see water there). But by now could that faint green be in my mind? Might their liner colour have taken on a hint of green that I can't tell? Might it be a general 'reflection' from all the trees around?
Been holding shock (18 - oops! Should be 16 but remembered 18 from my 45cya!) for the re-acquired 40 cya.
Yesterday evening:
FC 18? (wasn't sure if I did one extra drop; swirled a bit careless and just a TOUCH of it slopped over/out.
Ran FC again and got 19.5?
CC .5 both times (barely pink - 1 drop & gone)
CH irrelevant for vinyl? Tested once and was not sky high but don't recall the number
CYA 40 on repeated tests across days
TA WA-AAY up around 200!?!
pH tested as clearly above 8.2 but don't recall if I did this in the brief moment their FC was <10.
Stupidly and forgetfully added muriatic acid to bring that (& TA) down - with FC at shock (18).
pH last test SHOWED 7.3 but who knows? (FC at 18)
This morning (and yesterday was a very un-Texan cloudy day as is this morning) :
FC definitely 18
CC .5 again
CYA still 40
Didn't bother with CH, pH, or TA.
Is it true that pool $tores manage to manage metal tests pretty well? They said all were zero and if I recall in this thread one of you felt metals were not the issue (?)
I'm not sure how well they're brushing - I'm gonna get on them more about that - have their young son grab a brush awhile whenever he's in.
Could inadequate brushing lead to a perfect OCLT but still a green tint (assuming I'm not imagining it) ?
Before I get even lo-onger (as ever :blah: ) I will shut up and give chance to hear from some smart people instead of just myself...!...
OCLT perfect - 18 and 18; .5 and .5
CYA 40, TA sky high (200ish), pH - ??!! (SAYS 7.3)
Green tint - or my imagination - in their 6000G pool-in-a-box with all standard pumps, cartridge filters, etc)
Great job on the test kit. I think it's time for another pic with the brush in the water so we can see clarity and color. Your OCLT passing is good. You can't trust pH at the elevated FC, the test will read higher than reality.
I'll get another pic late this afternoon when I return.
You can see completely perfectly through it, I just feel like it looks a tad green instead of crystal colourless clear.
But it seems like an almost 'intangible' green-ness if that makes any sense?
Like, I'm sure it's there but when I look straight down into/thru it I just can't see anything but pool floor.
You can see completely perfectly through it, I just feel like it looks a tad green instead of crystal colourless clear.
But it seems like an almost 'intangible' green-ness if that makes any sense?
Like, I'm sure it's there but when I look straight down into/thru it I just can't see anything but pool floor.
Ok so details from the late afternoon return I referred to:
FC 16.5
Oh - I THINK (pretty sure) it was 16.5 - noticed the crazy itchy legs I had been waking myself up scratching was maybe because I was getting eaten alive by mosquitos. Was doing the 'anti-mos' dance while I tried to drip and count.
(but CC .5, and Yes CYA still 40 so I won't bother again)
I gave it a good brushing.
Planned to add a pint of chlorine for 18.5 to see it thru the night but on second thoughts added a second pint (total quart for 20.5) in case my brushing gave the chlorine more to work on.
This morning. Conveniently not sunny again. (Remind the weather what state and what month this is?!)
Guess I slightly miss-measured my quart by about an extra cup?
The expected 20.5 (or less, allowing for post-scrub consumption) was now 21.5 so I guess that's another successful OCLT (CC being .5 again).
However - admission time:
Because I can see thru this pool so easy (and all the way across) I think I had begun kidding myself it was 'basically clear but just an odd greenish tint'.
Yeah right!
Eyes see MUCH better than cameras - and the brain is so good at translating what you are seeing into what you are expecting to see.
I could not take pics that showed on screen what I can see with my eyes.
The pics that follow will prove this, will show you what it really looks like, and make it impossible for me to convince you that I REALLY CAN see clearly straight thru it!
(FC 21.5, CC .5, CYA still 40, TA crazy unless it's moved from ~200 by itself, pH unmeasurable, probably reading high therefore probably in reality less than the last-recorded 7.3, CH irrelevant)
EDIT: I had said 20.5 FC just above in my 'latest results' summary. As I stated above it was 21.5
(I had *expected* 20.5 or less)
FC 16.5
Oh - I THINK (pretty sure) it was 16.5 - noticed the crazy itchy legs I had been waking myself up scratching was maybe because I was getting eaten alive by mosquitos. Was doing the 'anti-mos' dance while I tried to drip and count.
(but CC .5, and Yes CYA still 40 so I won't bother again)
I gave it a good brushing.
Planned to add a pint of chlorine for 18.5 to see it thru the night but on second thoughts added a second pint (total quart for 20.5) in case my brushing gave the chlorine more to work on.
This morning. Conveniently not sunny again. (Remind the weather what state and what month this is?!)
Guess I slightly miss-measured my quart by about an extra cup?
The expected 20.5 (or less, allowing for post-scrub consumption) was now 21.5 so I guess that's another successful OCLT (CC being .5 again).
However - admission time:
Because I can see thru this pool so easy (and all the way across) I think I had begun kidding myself it was 'basically clear but just an odd greenish tint'.
Yeah right!
Eyes see MUCH better than cameras - and the brain is so good at translating what you are seeing into what you are expecting to see.
I could not take pics that showed on screen what I can see with my eyes.
The pics that follow will prove this, will show you what it really looks like, and make it impossible for me to convince you that I REALLY CAN see clearly straight thru it!
(FC 21.5, CC .5, CYA still 40, TA crazy unless it's moved from ~200 by itself, pH unmeasurable, probably reading high therefore probably in reality less than the last-recorded 7.3, CH irrelevant)
EDIT: I had said 20.5 FC just above in my 'latest results' summary. As I stated above it was 21.5
(I had *expected* 20.5 or less)
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Across the pool
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Straight down to floor - ladder leg and tile design floor visible - but not NEAR as easy as with the naked eye (hence my kidding myself about 'Is it REALLY green?'
Hmmm... (!)
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Straight down to floor - ladder leg and tile design floor visible - but not NEAR as easy as with the naked eye (hence my kidding myself about 'Is it REALLY green?'
Hmmm... (!)
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Some more work to be done by the chlorine and filter! It is treading towards blue so you are heading in the right direction!
Kim
Kim
I can't see your pics... With Chrome or Tapatalk...
What does this mean? "pH unmeasurable, probably reading high therefore probably in reality less than the last-recorded 7.3" What color was the liquid, purple or yellow?
What does this mean? "pH unmeasurable, probably reading high therefore probably in reality less than the last-recorded 7.3" What color was the liquid, purple or yellow?
I'll try to work on the pics - they're not showing for me now either: "Attachment 'number "
With that overly complex remark what I mean is that with FC this high any pH test is likely to read erroneously high (is that correct?), so, because I can't get a good measure on it i didn't even do that test.
The last time I tested it the result showed as 7.3 but the FC was high then and I tested it 'by mistake', forgetting that. And so I am considering the true pH may be less than 7.3.
(I was actually shooting for 7 as part of the 'reduce pH and TA, aerate to raise ph, rinse and repeat...' because of the sky high TA, but realized I should ignore that while SLAMming (?)
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Sorry - I haven't RE-tested it since I got the 7.3 - the liquid pretty much EXACTLY matched 7.3 on the comparator. I stopped testing since then because of remembering about shock level FC and pH testing (or not)
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Correction again!
It was either exactly matching 7.2, or perhaps the merest hair more purple/less yellow.
With that overly complex remark what I mean is that with FC this high any pH test is likely to read erroneously high (is that correct?), so, because I can't get a good measure on it i didn't even do that test.
The last time I tested it the result showed as 7.3 but the FC was high then and I tested it 'by mistake', forgetting that. And so I am considering the true pH may be less than 7.3.
(I was actually shooting for 7 as part of the 'reduce pH and TA, aerate to raise ph, rinse and repeat...' because of the sky high TA, but realized I should ignore that while SLAMming (?)
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Sorry - I haven't RE-tested it since I got the 7.3 - the liquid pretty much EXACTLY matched 7.3 on the comparator. I stopped testing since then because of remembering about shock level FC and pH testing (or not)
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Correction again!
It was either exactly matching 7.2, or perhaps the merest hair more purple/less yellow.
Pics as attempted above...
Across:
Straight down showing leg and floor:
(I have done exactly what I did before and last time the pics simply showed embedded within the text, each below their 'heading')
*For me, here, now, they are showing like that again. If it stops again maybe you can advise? I am NOT techie with this stuff - never heard of tapatalk, never used any online picture hosting, don't even understand that. Like blipphoto? Heard of that but never used.
Across:
Straight down showing leg and floor:
(I have done exactly what I did before and last time the pics simply showed embedded within the text, each below their 'heading')
*For me, here, now, they are showing like that again. If it stops again maybe you can advise? I am NOT techie with this stuff - never heard of tapatalk, never used any online picture hosting, don't even understand that. Like blipphoto? Heard of that but never used.
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Well - at my end - my second attempt is still showing after I refreshed this page on my phone.
So is there anything else I can, or should, be doing? - or just keep the FC up, keep the cartridge filter clean (? or not constantly? It REALLY doesn't get gunky, or very dirty at all), presumably have them keep brushing - and pray for the filter to do its thing and turn it blue, and then finally clear 
Do I need to clean off the filter every morning and evening?
Do they need to brush constantly? (I gave it a good brushing one evening and it made NO difference to the overnight use - still passed OCLT and CC .5)
Is there anything else that might help/speed it up?
(CC is still steady at .5 or even less - SOMEthing, but not really a whole .5 even)
I DO presume I maintain shock? (SLAM = maintain shock 'til ALL 3 are passed and it's not really clear)
Do I need to clean off the filter every morning and evening?
Do they need to brush constantly? (I gave it a good brushing one evening and it made NO difference to the overnight use - still passed OCLT and CC .5)
Is there anything else that might help/speed it up?
(CC is still steady at .5 or even less - SOMEthing, but not really a whole .5 even)
I DO presume I maintain shock? (SLAM = maintain shock 'til ALL 3 are passed and it's not really clear)