Pool Build in Northern CA - acid wash complete, filling with water!

Rich D

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Aug 3, 2018
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our original design was for 6' and the plan came with big red letters stating "Non Diving Pool". We needed to go to 8' to get a "Diving Pool" so we decided on the 8'.
 
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JC707

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Yes, our pool will definitely have a no diving rule. We actually increased our pool depth from 6 ft to 7 ft just because we wanted to make sure that there was plenty of room to jump safely off of the wall into the deep end.
I think this is what we will do as well. 7 feet and cannon balls are ok lol. No diving allowed.

Did you ever think of going 8 feet or is that overkill?
 
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kcarlile

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Jun 7, 2020
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Santa Rosa, CA
Love your yard, can't wait to see how the pool comes together. The tiles will shine! What finish did you pick?
The finish has been the hardest decision. We originally wanted a darker blue water color, but I've think we've settled on medium blue now. Our builder likes to use Adam's Poolstone, which I believe is a local company here in Northern California. The color we picked is Pebble Plus Beach Series - Cabo. We've seen two pools in this color and I like both of them, but we only saw them on cloudy days. So, I'm hoping it's not too light when in full sun. My original favorite was Pebble Sheen Ocean Blue, and my builder will install that if we want. But, we can get a better price for the Poolstone Pebble Plus, and my builder felt the Ocean Blue would look too lagoon-ish for us. But, now that we are getting closer, I'm second guessing my decision again ;-)

This pic shows the Adam's Cabo finish next to their Indigo finish. The Indigo finish is similar to Pebble Sheen Ocean Blue in color and pebble size. The Cabo finish has even smaller pebbles. I'm hoping it's all going to turn out great, but I'm nervous.

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Here's a pic of a pool with Cabo finish (in the shade, of course).
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kcarlile

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Santa Rosa, CA
I think this is what we will do as well. 7 feet and cannon balls are ok lol. No diving allowed.

Did you ever think of going 8 feet or is that overkill?
No, we didn't consider 8 ft because we knew that we wanted to have a large shallow end. And, that would have taken too much space from the shallow end to go down another foot. Our kids just asked that we have a deep end that was big enough for them jump into and swim down to retrieve things off the bottom when playing games. They are fine with no diving. Plus, with all of our rock, we barely made it to 7ft. Our pool builder asked if we want to stop at 6 ft since the rock overage costs were growing by the day, but they were finally able to get to 7 ft. We were so happy when the digging was done!
 
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DorsalSpine

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Our deep end is 6' so we have a large shallow end for the kids to play in. The deck is flush so it's tough to cannonball enough to touch bottom. The biggest problem I've had over the twenty years we have had the pool is guests. Even when you explain the rules, the teenagers want to show off for their peers. Kids, grandkids and/or their friends. They usually think I'm being a grumpy old man until I point out that I have a second cousin in a wheelchair due to a diving accident.
 

kcarlile

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Jun 7, 2020
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Santa Rosa, CA
So, except for the crazy rock (which was sort of expected), we were going along pretty smoothly ... until the tile. Most of it looks great! But, there are some areas that look wonky. It's frustrating that the tilers don't take more pride in their work. When the tile was first installed (prior to grouting), I let my PB know that some of the tiles were crooked. He said that they still had a lot of finishing work to do and it would look great when they were done. And then, they grouted the tile without fixing anything. Ugh!

I talked to my PB again, and he did say that they would pull out and fix the crooked ones. I hope it all turns out well and doesn't look even worse after trying to fix it. I guess if this is our only bump in the road so far, we're doing pretty good. But, it's still frustrating. How can they put that up and think it looks okay? Am I being too picky? Honestly, one side of the pool looks great and the other side is where it looks messy. They have 2 different people working on the tile, so I think that's what happened. Does pulling off and resetting glass tile affect the integrity of the tile? I know they spent a lot of time prepping the surface and I'm not sure how they can do that when they pull out a few tiles here and there.

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Rocket J Squirrel

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Alamo, CA
The funny (to me, maybe not to you) thing is if all the tiles were just a little crooked, it would look intentional and I think it would look interesting and not at all bad. But with most tiles straight and a few crooked, it's an obvious mistake.
 
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Nikilyn

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Gilbert, AZ
Definitely not being too picky. If it was one or 2 in the bottom part I might live with it since it would be under the water, but that is just a bad tile job that needs to be fixed.
 
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kcarlile

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Jun 7, 2020
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Santa Rosa, CA
Thanks for your responses. Last night I thought about marking all the tiles that I wanted fixed with tape. But, I decided to give them a chance to quality control their own work and fix what needed to be fixed. But, that didn't work out too well. Today they only changed out a few tiles. And honestly, the fixed tiles look worse. Of the 3 they replaced, one isn't even straight. And, there are probably at least 30 more that need to be fixed. It's just on one side of the pool. The other side looks fine. But, in the bad area, you can just look down the line and the tiles are completely wavy. I honestly think they need to take out an entire section and redo the tile. Of course, that probably means buying more tile. I just sent another email to my PB. Hopefully, he'll come out a take a look tomorrow.

These same guys are just starting the ledgestone on our raised wall and I have no faith in them right now. Our landscaping masons are doing a great job on all of their stonework in our backyard, and at this point I think I would rather have them do the ledgestone for the pool. Ugh :-(
 

Turbo1Ton

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Dec 26, 2019
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NE Oklahoma
I had to continually check and mark tiles to be fixed. I would apply painter's tape to the ones that needed to be fixed. And I would text my PB and let them know that I found a few more. I must've looked at tiles every day and every day, I found more tiles that needed fixing. Amazing that every time they fixed some, I found more that needed fixing. And it was never that they damaged the fixed ones. They were just ones I overlooked.

I would be honest with your PB and tell them that you would like to trust them to quality check their own work, but that so far, it is not working out, so you will be checking and advising daily.

--Jeff
 
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kcarlile

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Santa Rosa, CA
I heard back from PB and he's out of town until next week. He's stopping the tile guys from continuing until we can meet. He is very surprised because these guys have tiled over 100 pools for him (including fully tiled pools, vanishing edges, etc) and he's never had a complaint. But, he also said that they will get it right and he wants me to be happy. So, I'm confident that it will all work out.

On the bright side, our landscaping masons are doing a great job. They have the seat wall and fire pit almost complete. And, our new fence is going up too. So, at least I can keep entertained by their work each day :)Fire1.jpg Fire2.jpg
 
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RoyR

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Jul 31, 2018
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Who’s the stone guy, they are really good!

I don’t even know how you get the tile crooked like that...must be pushing up after they set it...it’s got a net back right?
 
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kcarlile

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Santa Rosa, CA
Who’s the stone guy, they are really good!

I don’t even know how you get the tile crooked like that...must be pushing up after they set it...it’s got a net back right?
The tile has a paper backing. I have no idea how the tile can be so messed up. I'm thinking the head guy did one side of the pool and his apprentice did the other side. The quality of the two sides of the pool is very different. It's so strange.

I'll message you the name of our landscaper/masons (I don't know if I'm allowed to put his name here). But, their work as been excellent! We like the seat wall so much that we are having them add another one to surround our patio up by the spa. They will also be creating the new pool patios and pathways, and doing some ledgestone work on our bbq island and existing patio columns. So, it will be fun to see that work progress. The owner comes by every day to give his guys directions and answer any questions that we may have. That customer service has been great. And, of course, that keeps making us expand our project ;-)
 
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kimkats

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That stone work looks awesome!!!! For sure share their name in PM so others can use them!

Glad to hear the PB is going to take care of that tile. I would push for them to start all over starting here and going to there. No more one at a time!

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JC707

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Oh this is perfect thread...definitely following. Our PB here in nor cal wants to use Adams Pebble Plus as well. I can't find many pics of the different colors offered....if you have any to share please let me know. I sent you a PM. :)
 

kcarlile

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Santa Rosa, CA
Oh this is perfect thread...definitely following. Our PB here in nor cal wants to use Adams Pebble Plus as well. I can't find many pics of the different colors offered....if you have any to share please let me know. I sent you a PM. :)
It's hard to find pictures of Adam's Pebble Plus. They don't spend much on marketing and half of their finishes aren't even shown on their website. I'm not sure where you are in the Bay Area, but you could always go to Adam's showroom in Pleasanton. My PB brought me 2 boxes of pebble finishes, along with a flyer showing pools in the different finishes (but, the flyer didn't cover all of their finishes). Then, he sent me lots of pictures of pools he had built with different finishes. Once, I had narrowed down my choices, I called Adam's and asked them to email me additional pictures of pools in the finishes that I liked. That was a great help! And, I did go and view a few pools of my PB's with my final two Pebble Plus choices.

I also had the Pebbletec samples too. So, I would compare the colors of the Pebble Plus samples with the Pebbletec ones, and then use the Pebbletec website to help pick the water color I wanted.
 

kcarlile

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Santa Rosa, CA
Our pool build was slowed down due the Northern California fires and our mandatory evacuation. Thanks to the very hard work of the firefighters, we had a home and in-progress pool to come back to :)

Here's a picture of the ledgestone going up on the raised bond beam.
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Here's a picture of our upper patio wall in progress.
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