pond to pool reno

I've been spending more time trying to figure out where these pipes come from and where they go. First I started digging in the pool shed following the pipes that stick out of the ground where they were connected to the pumps and filters. I was hoping one of the pairs went out toward the hot tub. No such luck. I followed all the pairs and can now see that they all go together in one trench.
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In this picture you can see the 3 sets of pipes (total of 6) plus the 2 conduit runs (the thin pipes) that take the power to the 2 lights. I had hoped that the reason some of the pipes backed up when I put water in them was because they were connected to other pipes that had valves that were shut off. No such luck, so now I'm thinking some of them may be stopped up. :thumbdown:

I unscrewed one of the nozzles in the hot tub and tried pushing my fishing tape that I use to fish wires through walls into the hole. The tape is 50' long and I thought maybe I could fish it all the way through the pipes and out one of the 6 pipes that are sticking up in the pool shed. No luck with that either. I couldn't get in in more than a few inches.

My wife and I were brainstorming. Since our pool was installed before the era of multi-speed pumps we thought maybe the smallest pump (which was beside what was the heater before the thief) might have been a pump they ran for the heater separate from the circulator pump. Does that sound possible?

With some of the pipes apparently stopped up I was hoping to get some more pressure in the pipes. Currently I've been testing by dripping my water hose into the exposed pipes in the pool shed and hoping it would come out somewhere without much luck. So since I do have one of the three pumps that still run I decided to rig up something so I could connect it to the different pipes, ideally all six of them one at a time to try to push the gunk out. I found this blue tubing stuff that I'm assuming they used for backwashing the filters and hooked it up to the output of the pump. I knew running the pump without water probably wasn't a good idea so I fed the water hose into the pump before I turned it on.
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You can see the blue tube filling up with water. The green hose is where I was running water into the pump. I took the lid off the pump filter so I could see how full it was. Since the pool pump can pump water out faster than I can fill it with the hose I just turned it off when it got ahead of the water coming in. Next time I get time to work on the pool, I'm going to hook the other end of the blue tube up to the different pipes. This might help flush out the lines but I haven't had a chance to give it a try yet.

It was a beautiful day to be outside. Actually a bit hot but since I was in the pool shed I was shaded. At some point my wife came out to help me. She was wearing shorts and moving some of the old junk that had been left in the shed. When she picked up one piece of junk a big black spider fell out on her leg. She started dancing and yelling, but she is such a sweet woman that not a single swear word came out of her mouth. I wouldn't have blamed her if it did! She also made me lunch. The hotter it gets the more motivated I am to get this thing done. The piping is taking longer than I expected. I thought at this point I would know what went where and be working on getting new equipment for it. It is all going to be worth it in the end!
 
I REALLY like your style! Your writing style and your work style.You will get this puzzle figured out one way or another! You have a good brain in your head and know how to use it to problem solve. Well done!

Your poor wife....out there helping and Mr. Spider scaring her like that :shock: Hope she does not have any nightmares about it!! So sweet of her to help and to make you lunch. You make a good team! :hug:

Kim:kim:
 
What might be helpful would be to draw it out and put down what you know. If you were to do that then it might help people on here help you figure it out. Draw out the pool and spa and Mark all the returns, drains skimmers, and any other holes in the pool. Do the spa the same way. Do the same for the pad.
 
Okay it has been a while. I know. My pool thread doesn't include my "replace clutch on mower" or my "fridge died" or my "stack wood" projects. I couldn't even find this thread when I came back because the forum has been so active!

At any rate I have figured out where all my plumbing goes now. I made sleaves that let me hook the water hose to the pipes. I was saying before that I don't know much about pools (that is changing). Well it turns out the water wouldn't come out because the skimmers were winterized. So even the hose didn't quite work and I took some more drastic measures. Only to eventually cause an enormous guiser of sludge and nastyness only to find out that there were plugs in the skimmers. HAHA.

I have also mostly cleaned out the main pool too.

Had some equipment sales guys by the house. I thought they would help me figure out what kind of pump and filter I wanted. They just looked at me and asked me what I wanted. So... I have done the research and am about to buy equipment. More on that in another post.

I got a lucky break too.... I hope. I had a guy come look at my garage for repairs. When he saw my pool project he got all excited and told me he was a mason for years. Long story short, he is planning on doing the tile and coping. Yeah!!! I was afraid I was going to be on the hook for it and I would have had to learn from scratch.

Anyway that is the short catchup post. I'll try to get back on here more regularly.

Oh one more thing. I've started treating the spa as if it was running. It was turning very green so I went and got some chlorine, acid, and some test strips (yeah I know I need a real test kit) and have started ballancing the water. You still wouldn't want to swim in it because its dirty but at least its clear now and I am starting to learn. I didn't want to pump a bunch of alge through the new filter when I get it installed.

Very cool learning about the pumps, head, filters, etc.
 
Okay today I talked to the tile guy again and finished removing all of the old tile with an air hammer. Also got to the bottom of the deep end after much pumping, shoveling, and cleaning. Yippee!!!

I have a question. As I'm doing all of this I'm working on my chemical strategy. My pool is 25,000 gallons. I live in Maryland and plan on having the pool open about 4 months per year. How much chlorine are we talking about? At our pool store it looks like its between 4 and 5 dollars per gallon of 12.5% chlorine. Just trying to get a feel....

Thanks!
 
You could easily buy a case. I wouldn't buy much more than that unless you need to slam the pool to finish cleaning it up. You don't want to stock up for a whole season at once with liquid chlorine, as it will lose potency over time, especially if stored in the heat. Practice using PoolMath and it will show you how much of the different chemicals you need to reach certain levels.
 
Depending on how much sun your pool gets about a gallon a day in the middle of the summer when it’s hot. You’ll probably start around a pint to a quart in the spring and end with that as well.

You may want to consider a salt water chlorine generator since you are starting with all new equipment and I’m assuming a variable speed pump.
 
Yes! They had me covered. It is funny how hard of a time I had trying to use google to figure out how much chlorine I would use. I could get PPM and other measurements but not an actual amount I might use over the Summer. So thanks.

@kimkats No I haven't picked out the tile yet. Went to a local tile store and they don't carry pool tile. So I may need to search around unless someone has a good suggestion. I'm all ears.
 

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@kimkats No I haven't picked out the tile yet. Went to a local tile store and they don't carry pool tile. So I may need to search around unless someone has a good suggestion. I'm all ears.

National Pool Tile has dealers all over and a pretty good selection. Their webstie has lots of pictures so not abad place to start: All Tile | National Pool Tile Group
 
@splat10 Thanks. Looks like a good tip.
@PrehistoricPool You were right. It looks like they have a showroom within a few minutes of our house!

Everybody else. Found a 3 foot long snake skin dangling out of the return pipe for our hot tub. I've got a pump ordered that is supposed to come next week. I'm guessing when we turn it on there is going to be a lot of excitement for everybody involved! :)

Speaking of equipment:

With how our plumbing is set up we needed separate systems for the pool and hot tub.

Anyway, I ordered a 100 sq ft cartridge filter for the hot tub and a 320 sq ft cartridge filter for the pool. For the pool my main concern was making sure it was big enough for the flow. The flow on the hot tub will be much lower so I mainly tried to make sure I got a filter that would last through the whole season.

Also ordered the SuperFlo VS pump. I basically looked at what looked like the 5 most popular Pentair pump models and tried to estimate the total cost of purchasing plus running each pump for 7 yrs. Plus if you get a single speed pump you probably want to add a timer. At any rate for my setup with my flow rates, pipe sizes, and the amount I expect to run them the SuperFlo VS seemed to be the one. The Intelliflo for my setup was too expensive to recoup the cost with energy savings. For the pool itself, I could have probably saved a little bit with there smallest single speed but it was pretty close so I just decided to get the variable speed pump and not have to do the small amount of work of installing the timer. For the hot tub VS was a big winner. Nobody makes less than a 1/2 hp single speed pump so you pretty much have to fork over the money for VS and turn it way down.

Thanks again for the help! Its coming together. Slowly but surely.
 
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