Please Review my AGP Specs! :-)

There are obviously better tested SWGs out there, but at half the price of other brands I’ve been happy with this one so far.
As much as I love Pentair/ Circupool/ Hayward, your statement right here carries alot of weight IMO.

It should be seriously considered one way or the other for pools on the smaller side. I had an easy decision with a 30k+ gallon pool. 2 choices with no wrong answers. I don't envy what some of you have to sift through.
 
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You can get by with the stock hoses for plumbing, and then upgrade to PVC at a later date, if the whole planning ahead of time is overwhelming. It is not that big of an effort to remove the hoses and re-plumb with PVC. I would go so far as to say it is a nice project for a Saturday morning (unless you have to crawl around under a deck to plumb yours like I do). By using hoses first, you can play around with your pump/filter position. Do you like the drain facing a certain direction, does having it too near the pool make opening it difficult, does the bump handle stick out in a bad place, can I reach my electric receptacle from where I put it, etc.

But by all means, once you are indeed happy with the filter location, definitely hard plumb it. It makes a huge difference, you flow rates will be a lot better.. As was said, unions and valves are your friends. You can always plug your return and skimmer to work on things, but it is a LOT easier just to turn a valve. Also, if you decide to go with the SWCG (which you really really should in my opinion) you will want to look at placement of that in relation to the filter, the electric, and the plumbing.

I took a look at the SWGC that you referenced as part of your package, and I am not thrilled with it. Again, my opinion only. It may functionally work great for all I know. It may generate chlorine like a champ and last 20 years between needing to be replaced. I don't know about that. Here is what bugs me about it.

1) It HAS to be mounted vertically right off the the return - that is not necessarily a bad thing, unless you don't want it there. My in mounted in the same spot, but my power cord reaches and I am OK with it. I made a conscious decision to buy on that went there. There reason is, a cell generates hydrogen gas in addition to hypochlorous acid (chlorine). When the cell is located in a vertical position just below your return, even if water stops flowing while the cell is on, the hydrogen will flow upwards and out of your return. If you mount a cell horizontally in your plumbing, it requires a flow sensor for safety. That way if the water stops flowing it turns off before it turns into a mini-Hindenburg. Hayward offers two different cells, one with the flow sensor for horizontal applications, and one without, for vertical at the return only. It looks like the one you referenced does not have that option, and instead has to be mounted vertically right before the return. I took a closer look at it, and the PoolTux does seem to have a flow sensor, but it still states in the installation manual that it has to be mounted right off of the return. That is odd.

2) This is sort of related to part 1. Your SWCG has a timer that plugs into the electric outlet, then a "power box" that plugs into the timer, and then the cell plugs into the power box. There is ONE outlet on the timer, for the SWCG. The instructions actually show the filter plugged in elsewhere with a note that says "we recommend setting a timer for the filter to have the same cycle as the SWGC" or something to that effect. This means you need two timers, that you need to keep in sync. That is likely why they have a vertical only cell, it is possible (maybe even probable) to have the cell on with the pump off. The Hayward has a control box. The box plugs into the electric outlet and has a timer built into it. The box then has leads that power the cell, and an outlet on it where you plug in your pump. The timer on the box controls both the pump and the cell, so when one is on, the other is on too. I guess you could make a case for more flexibility in the separate set up, so you can run your pump without running your cell. But in my case, my cell is the driving factor. I need to run my system more for chlorine generation than I do for filtering.

3) Finally, I just don't like the control panel on it. Too simple. Just some led lights - one for power, one for low salt, one for low flow, and one for "error". It also just has a 5 position led for measuring output. The Hayward actually has a display, and will tell you voltages, salt concentration, and if necessary error codes that point you to the issue. It also has a much more granular Cl output adjustment.
@phonedave -- I REALLY appreciate all your insight on this. Can I ask you your thoughts (or anyone else's) on the two following options??
- Hayward AquaTrol "Straight blade" 120V/15A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting
- Hayward AquaTrol "Twist lock" 120/20A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting
 
@phonedave -- I REALLY appreciate all your insight on this. Can I ask you your thoughts (or anyone else's) on the two following options??
- Hayward AquaTrol "Straight blade" 120V/15A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting
- Hayward AquaTrol "Twist lock" 120/20A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting
Where I live, a twist-lock cord and outlet are required by code. Check your local requirements. Twist lock is definitely safer, but if you don’t already have a twist-lock outlet you’d need to add one.

Example-
 
The Pooltux SWG looks identical to my Solaxx, and is likely made by them.

There are 8 settings for output (not 5), it can be installed horizontally (mine is), and while not as user friendly there’s a tech manual for getting voltages/etc.

You can see my running review here:

There are obviously better tested SWGs out there, but at half the price of other brands I’ve been happy with this one so far.
So, are you saying it might be worth a try to go with the Pooltux?
 
Can I ask you your thoughts (or anyone else's) on the two following options??
- Hayward AquaTrol "Straight blade" 120V/15A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting
- Hayward AquaTrol "Twist lock" 120/20A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting
So the way I see it, is that the pump has to be twist lock as it is critical to the operation, semi-permanent and shouldn't be easily unplugged (like when you trip over it, and, let's be honest here, it's only a matter of time)

The SWG doesn't *have* to be twist lock, but for a few dollars more, *should* be for the same reasons as the pump.
 
So, are you saying it might be worth a try to go with the Pooltux?
What’s the cost to add it to the package?

Functionally it looks like the Solaxx with an R5 cell, which is plenty of output for your pool.

It’s really a personal choice. If it’s a lot cheaper, and you’re comfortable with something lesser known/reviewed, then go for it.

When I was spending my money, that’s what I did. But if you want the best of the best and are willing to pay for it, then the other options are there as well. :)
 
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@phonedave -- I REALLY appreciate all your insight on this. Can I ask you your thoughts (or anyone else's) on the two following options??
- Hayward AquaTrol "Straight blade" 120V/15A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting
- Hayward AquaTrol "Twist lock" 120/20A linecord - Hose or Pipe Fitting

That is what I have. A Hayward Aqua Trol

You can get a RJ or HP unit - this refers to the flow sensor (or lack of one) and how it can be mounted
RJ stands for "Return Jet" and is designed to mount vertically to your return jet.
HP stands for "Hose/Pipe" and is designed to mount horizontally into a hose or pipe.
Either one can be used with hard pipe or hoses (just get the right plumbing adaptors at the big box store)

You can also get a TL or SB unit - the refers to the electric plug on the end
SB stands for "Straight Blade" which is basically your normal "3 prong" grounded plug which is likely what you have on almost everything else in your house.
TL stands for "Twist Lock" which is a different kind of plug, three prongs in a circular format, you plug it in and then twist it to lock it into the outlet. If you have a portable generator, this is likely the kind of outlet on the 30 to 50 amp plug.

You are likely going to want a SB unit, unless for some reason you have a twist lock receptacle by your pool (might be required by your local code). The RJ or HP is up to you.

I happen to have a RJ-SB

Aqua-Trol only comes with one size cell - a T-5 - and that is good up to 18,000 gallons. So your 7,600 gallon pool is more than covered
 
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What’s the cost to add it to the package?

Functionally it looks like the Solaxx with an R5 cell, which is plenty of output for your pool.

It’s really a personal choice. If it’s a lot cheaper, and you’re comfortable with something lesser known/reviewed, then go for it.

When I was spending my money, that’s what I did. But if you want the best of the best and are willing to pay for it, then the other options are there as well. :)
Basically, it's a $250 difference between the Pooltux and Hayward.
 
Where I live, a twist-lock cord and outlet are required by code. Check your local requirements.
Do check your local requirements and if possible talk to the inspector. My Hayward Maxflo came with a 3prong plug and my town’s inspector said that would be fine if the manual didn’t say the equipment has to be hardwired… so I had to take out the cord and hardwire the pump.
 

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Basically, it's a $250 difference between the Pooltux and Hayward.


Like I said, I have no experience with the PoolTux, but for $250 I would go with the Hayward. Again, that is just me, I own a Hayward. The PoolTux may be the greatest thing since sliced bread for all I know.
 
Do check your local requirements and if possible talk to the inspector. My Hayward Maxflo came with a 3prong plug and my town’s inspector said that would be fine if the manual didn’t say the equipment has to be hardwired… so I had to take out the cord and hardwire the pump.

To the OP, don't let getting the right cord end be too much of a worry. It is an easy task to change out the electric receptacle to match whatever you have. And if code dictates what kind of receptacle you need, it is also an easy task to change out the line cord.
 
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That is what I have. A Hayward Aqua Trol

You can get a RJ or HP unit - this refers to the flow sensor (or lack of one) and how it can be mounted
RJ stands for "Return Jet" and is designed to mount vertically to your return jet.
HP stands for "Hose/Pipe" and is designed to mount horizontally into a hose or pipe.
Either one can be used with hard pipe or hoses (just get the right plumbing adaptors at the big box store)

You can also get a TL or SB unit - the refers to the electric plug on the end
SB stands for "Straight Blade" which is basically your normal "3 prong" grounded plug which is likely what you have on almost everything else in your house.
TL stands for "Twist Lock" which is a different kind of plug, three prongs in a circular format, you plug it in and then twist it to lock it into the outlet. If you have a portable generator, this is likely the kind of outlet on the 30 to 50 amp plug.

You are likely going to want a SB unit, unless for some reason you have a twist lock receptacle by your pool (might be required by your local code). The RJ or HP is up to you.

I happen to have a RJ-SB

Aqua-Trol only comes with one size cell - a T-5 - and that is good up to 18,000 gallons. So your 7,600 gallon pool is more than covered

Like I said, I have no experience with the PoolTux, but for $250 I would go with the Hayward. Again, that is just me, I own a Hayward. The PoolTux may be the greatest thing since sliced bread for all I know.

Can't make these decisions easy. I'll throw some more mud in the water.

The Solaxx R5 outputs 1.15lbs of chlorine per 24 hours. The Hayward T-CELL-5 outputs 0.7lbs per day. So the cheaper unit in this case actually outputs more chlorine, and the typical recommendation is to oversize your cell so that you can can reduce pump runtime and/or increase the overall lifespan of the cell.

But... better brand, lower output vs lesser-known brand, higher output?

To be honest, I don't think you can make a wrong decision here. Either will produce adequate chlorine for your pool. Hopefully either will last 5 years before needing a cell replacement. Maybe the Hayward will last a bit longer; will it last longer-enough to make up the $250? Who knows.
 
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Let me just say that everyone here has been SO INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. I honestly can't thank you all enough. So, after reading everyone's comments, I did some more digging on the website that I'm ordering the kit from, and decided that I'm going to buy a pump / filter system separate from Amazon, as well as an SWG system. I'm going to do some searching on this forum for recommendations, but if anyone has some input on this, I'd greatly appreciate it!!
 
Let me just say that everyone here has been SO INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. I honestly can't thank you all enough. So, after reading everyone's comments, I did some more digging on the website that I'm ordering the kit from, and decided that I'm going to buy a pump / filter system separate from Amazon, as well as an SWG system. I'm going to do some searching on this forum for recommendations, but if anyone has some input on this, I'd greatly appreciate it!!
Seems a sound decision!!

Amazon may not be the best place to buy pool parts. Granted sometimes the average place it good enough.

Take a look at inyopools.com (if I’m not mistaken you get some discount from them if you support TFP).
Also check discountsaltpool.com they sell more than SWG, but if you decide to get a Circupool theory have the best price (use the $10 upgrade).
There are plenty of other reputable stores…. Surely other will chime in.
 
get by with the stock hoses for plumbing, and then upgrade to PVC at a later date
I am going to disagree with this due to the fact my dog ran around the pool and knocked the skimmer hose off the bottom of the skimmer and the water gushed out and washed some of the sand from under the pool bottom :( We were not home when it happened so quite a bit of water gushed out. I had to use my hands to push the sand back where it belonged. That area was never "perfect" again but it was livable. Learn from my mistake.
 
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I am going to disagree with this due to the fact my dog ran around the pool and knocked the skimmer hose off the bottom of the skimmer and the water gushed out and washed some of the sand from under the pool bottom :( We were not home when it happened so quite a bit of water gushed out. I had to use my hands to push the sand back where it belonged. That area was never "perfect" again but it was livable. Learn from my mistake.

Ouch, yeah that might have changed my opinion as well. I guess it is the same thing as with twist lock plugs. People say "it is only a matter of time until you trip over the cord and pull out the plug". That timer has been running over 10 years for me :) and for the 4 years I had hoses, my dog never pulled one out. Maybe I am just lucky (now I am going to go outside, trip over my dog, and land on my filter - just watch)
 
So, I'm not sure if anyone else is going to see this, but hopefully you all do, because I'm hopefully close to being done shopping! :) This forum has been GREAT, but the more research I do, the more questions I have. Just a quick update with some questions/comments:
  • I ordered the 12x24x52" basic kit / frame / liner from the same website. I left all the other options off.
  • Accessories: Unless anyone thinks it's a waste, I think I'm going to go with the optional Pool Pad for the bottom, as well as the Foam Cove. I'm also going to find another place to purchase a ladder.
  • Pump / Filter: I'm going to go with a VS Pump. The more I read, the more I think I just need to take the plunge (pun intended). I'm looking at the 1.5HP Black & Decker. Here's a dumb question though, I'm assuming I have to buy a sand filter separate then?? If so, what brand/size???
  • SWG: Unless someone has a better suggestion, I think I'm going to go with the 15A Hayward AquaTrol for 18K. I'm not sure if I should go with the RJ or HP version. Thoughts? For the salt, probably just buy from Amazon.
  • Is there anything else -- accessories, test kits, or otherwise -- that I'm forgetting about? A pump timer? Or anything else that is a "must have" when trying to automate this process? (When I say "must have", I mean something that's worth the investment from the get-go that you were like, "I am SO GLAD I got this....")
Thanks again, everyone!!
 
Accessories: Unless anyone thinks it's a waste, I think I'm going to go with the optional Pool Pad for the bottom, as well as the Foam Cove. I'm also going to find another place to purchase a ladder.
Foam Cove is a must have in my opinion. I believe many here would agree. I don’t think there is the same consensus about the pad. I have pad and I felt it made installation easier, but I have nothing to compare to.
Pump / Filter: I'm going to go with a VS Pump. The more I read, the more I think I just need to take the plunge (pun intended). I'm looking at the 1.5HP Black & Decker. Here's a dumb question though, I'm assuming I have to buy a sand filter separate then?? If so, what brand/size???
I think VSP is the right call. Yes you need to buy the filter separately. You need the “brand” big. If you are happy with sand go with it. I like my cartridge filter. Anyone, the bigger the better.
SWG: Unless someone has a better suggestion, I think I'm going to go with the 15A Hayward AquaTrol for 18K. I'm not sure if I should go with the RJ or HP version. Thoughts? For the salt, probably just buy from Amazon.
You should also compare their warranties. That is the single thing that drives people towards Circupool. Get Salt on your local hardware/big box store. I paid less than $7 per 40lb bag of Morton pool salt at Homedepot.
Is there anything else -- accessories, test kits, or otherwise -- that I'm forgetting about? A pump timer? Or anything else that is a "must have" when trying to automate this process? (When I say "must have", I mean something that's worth the investment from the get-go that you were like, "I am SO GLAD I got this....")
This is a trick. Off brand automation is quite limited. I have an z-wave switch for my single speed pump, but on a VSP I would run 24/7.
 

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