Odd change in PH and TA

Alexbg01

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Sep 1, 2024
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Nashville, TN
Hi All,

I am waiting on my Taylor Test kit to be delivered (TF-Pro ETA 09/06 - shipping speed sucks) so went to two different pool stores for water testing. Pool is a fiberglass 15,400gal. Home test kit is a crappy HTC from the builder and I don't have exact readings.

Saturday 8/31 - Leslie's test showed PH at 7.9 and TA at 117. I added 19oz of Dry Acid. Retested PH and was between 7.5-7.8.
Saturday 8/31 - Cleaned cartridges for the first time - really dirty from construction

Monday 9/2 - PH showed between 7.5-7.8. I added another 19oz of Dry Acid.
Monday 9/2 - Cleaned cartridge filters again - they are pearly white.

Wednesday 9/3 (Today) - HTC test showed PH >7.8. Went to a different pool store (they use Bioguard testing?) with a sample. Results:
FC: 2.4
TC: 2.5
CYA: 32
Phosphate: 185
Calcium: 266
TDS: 450
PH: 8.1
TA: 84

Pool store today told me I need to add 10lbs of Balance Pak 100 (Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate) to get my 84 TA to 125-150, and add 2.75lbs of 'lo 'n slo' (Sodium Bisulfate) to get my PH to 7.4-7.6. According to the pool store lady, this calculation assumes the rise in PH from increasing TA. I bought the Dang balance pak because I felt bad since she was telling me they aren't supposed to do tests for free if you don't buy anything, but I haven't added anything to the water yet. I use trichlor tabs in an inline chlorinator and pool has UV/Ozone system.

My questions - and I know the pool store's tests are not super reliable and they only want to sell you stuff, I'd like to assume the test is directionally accurate.

1. How did my total PH go from 7.9 to 8.1 in four days after adding 2.4lbs of Dry Acid?
2. I assume the drop in TA from 117 to 84 is due to the addition of the Acid?
3. TFP says the reference range for TA is 50-90ppm, pool store says 125-150, google searches say 80-120. Why the differences in ranges?
4. Based on my math, 10lbs of Sodium Hydrogen Carbonate in 15.5K gals will increase my TA by 43ppm resulting in a TA of 124ppm. Is this too high?
5. Based on my math, I need ~3.5lbs of Sodium Bisulfate to lower my PH from 8.1 to 7.5. But that much would also lower my TA by ~10 PPM bringing it to 114ppm - (which is now under the recommended range of 125 to 150 that BioGuard says.
6. Would cleaning my filters cause my PH to jump up?


For clarity, I did not use the pool this weekend or add any water - no dogs (a few frogs). We got about 1/4" of rain but I kept the pool covered and pumped it off. I do have deck jets that run a few hours each day, and I know "aeration" can raise PH but wasn't expecting by that much.

Finally, I know the TFP guidance is for PH to be 7.2 to 8.0. So its a big range. I do wish to dial it in closer to 7.5 because my 1yr daughter's eyes seem a bit sensitive to the water and I think its due to the higher PH level. Appreciate your insight/expertise.
 
Hey Alex and Welcome !!!!

Sweet job with the TFPro. It is jam PACKED with value compared to the comparably priced K2006C which has the wrong amounts of supplies and no $48 stirrer.

Forget anything and everything the poolstore said or tested. Add 3 to 5 ppm of chlorine per day per PoolMath. Thats the only immediate concern and the rest wont matter before Friday.

Their advice is worse than their testing, for example, raising the TA which will pull the PH up quicker.

Anywho report back with reliable results when you get your kit and we got you.
 
Hey Alex and Welcome !!!!

Sweet job with the TFPro. It is jam PACKED with value compared to the comparably priced K2006C which has the wrong amounts of supplies and no $48 stirrer.

Forget anything and everything the poolstore said or tested. Add 3 to 5 ppm of chlorine per day per PoolMath. Thats the only immediate concern and the rest wont matter before Friday.

Their advice is worse than their testing, for example, raising the TA which will pull the PH up quicker.

Anywho report back with reliable results when you get your kit and we got you.
Thanks, Newdude! Out of curiosity - why is there such a difference of opinion on TA levels? I just checked with my pool manufacturer and the warranty information and it says the desired range is 80-120 PPM. I searched the Wiki and Pool School here and I don't see an explanation on the recommended levels.
 
In short, they don't even know what they don't know.

The high TA rec makes sense for the tab heavy pool that they push. The CYA (acid) in the tabs constantly lowers the PH and a higher TA helps pull it up. Think of the two as besties that are rubber banded together. Each one can pull the other.

Anywho, skip the tabs and you have a whole new equation but the advice stays the same. You can ask them why, but they clearly don't know why their advice was in the first place. So prepare for word salad if you do ask. It'll likely be pulled from elbow deep in the dark place. 😁

The manufacturers just go along with the industry recs.


For us using liquid chlorine, the PH will naturally rise and we lower the TA to help slow the Ph rise.
 
I wish they'd sell a otc anti anxiety drug so your not feeling guilty when they give you their take on you water results. At least you'd gain something fromm the purchase.
No, put nothing more in till the kit arrives, do your testing and post.
 
I bought the Dang balance pak because I felt bad since she was telling me they aren't supposed to do tests for free if you don't buy anything,
Case and point. She guilted you into spending $50 on baking soda in a fancy bag because of a $13 test.

I'm surprised she was so upfront about it. Usually it's just strongly implied, but maybe she had a quota to reach.

Either way, there's your proof the 'free test' is a sham. They are designed with the appearance of ridiculous percision so you dont question them. It knows i have 356 ppm of calcium....... it must know. It's a marketing ploy, not actual accuracy. Accuracy is nowhere in their MO.

#neveragain.
 
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