Nightmare Pool! Need help with possible air leak

Malico

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May 16, 2018
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Macomb Twp, MI
Hey all,

First time poster and been lurking for a year, lots of great people and help here so thanks to everyone who has posted in the past for the threads I have used!

I grew up with a above ground Kayak pool and did a lot of the filter maintenance stuff for my Dad. Now with an in-ground, gravity works differently and I am not entire sure if what I am experiencing is normal or not. I don't trust the pool company in the slightest right now to tell me the truth, to which you will see why below.

Pool info:


  • In-ground, vinyl liner
  • ~20,000 gallons
  • Hayward Omni-logic with Sense and Dispense (Acid)
  • Hayward S244T Sand filter with Model SP23520VSP Pump
  • Hayward 200,000 BTU heater and T-15 Salt Cell

Pic of the setup below. Ignore the horrid wiring job the company did, I will be cleaning that all up soon myself. My inner IT guy cable OCD is driving me insane.

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A quick background on this nightmare. This pool install started May of 2017 and was completed November 2017. Yes, it took 6 months to finish. As the pool company was installing the steel walls, I noted to them it looked a little high. They told me it was fine and continued, it turned out to be that they dug it 15" too high and the pool was going to have a 30" retaining wall off the back. The city denied the permit and we were at a stand still. A shot of my above ground "in-ground" pool.

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After going back and forth with the city, pool company, and my lawyer. The pool company ending up having to dig out a nearly completed pool and start over. After the install was completed, I ended up having to troubleshoot an issue with the heater, the pumps connection to Omnilogic panel, and now this leak issue. Needless to say they don't like me and now you can see why I don't trust them. Ever wonder what it looks like to dig up a brand new, completed pool?

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On to the problem!

Air leaks in the filter system. One I found as a bad fitting after their first attempt at installing the Sense and Dispense, they replummbed it and now all is well. The second item, the one I have concern with, may or many not be an issue and I am hoping all of you here can tell if it is or not. When the filter turns off, you hear this gurgling noise in the video at the top of the filter tank and it continues for ~10-15 mins but does eventually stop. The basket itself stays filled with water and the air does not leak down to that point.

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Once you turn the pump on, you hear the snap crackle and pop of air moving through the system which does eventually work its way out. As I understand it, this should not be happening. Air should not enter this system unless I pop the filter basket lid or change the value at the top of the filter tank. What makes this worse is I have a neighbor who is calling our association, the police, and the city on a regular basis because the pump is too loud. Which I went to the point of buying a decibel meter to prove it is 2-3dB over ambient. The snapping and crackling noise is just one more noise complaint I am trying to manage in this continued nightmare.

As I said, can't trust the pool company 100% as I am still holding back money until this problem and others are solved.

Thanks all for your input!
 
I guess I should have come to this forum sooner... Ever posted something to immediately find the fix? Problem that has plagued this system since install is now fixed. After posting this I was thinking more about what it could be and I took a look at the drain plug. It had some debris on the gasket, cleaned it and put it back. The problem then seemed to get better. I pulled the plug again to find it had a dent in the gasket from the debris, just barely enough to let air pass. I flipped the gasket over, put a light amount of lube on it, and no more air leak.

Two air leaks in this system, I had to find and fix both of them for a pool company that has been in business for 30 years. Frustrating.
 
Malico,
Glad that you figured that out and sorry to hear of the problems you had with the PB. But I will tell you that this is the place to go for any problems that you have. These folks are great and know what they are talking about. (excluding me) Enjoy your pool and many happy days ahead.
Ran around Macomb Twp back before my father-in-law moved. Stole my wife from there and made her into a Southern girl. lol
 
Oh I have such a BIG sad for you :( The bad part is you TOLD them about it being too high!!! gurrrrrrr just listen and think people and life would be oh so much easier!!!! I am SO glad it got fixed.........dug up an installed pool.......they lost their butt on this one I bet.

Air leak-well done! Now go add lube to the unions and pump basket lid gasket. In the unions there is a small o-ring seated in a groove. I add lube anytime I open them just to be on the safe side.

Pump noise complaint----------really??? And where is said pump? We can help you come up with some ideas to quiet it down some or at least dampen the noise. Share a pic that shows it and what it is on and around.

I have to laugh a little with you saying you should have come here first........I am guessing you just thought about what we would say so that started your brain to trouble shooting. WELL DONE TFP LOL

Kim:kim:
 
Oh I have such a BIG sad for you :( The bad part is you TOLD them about it being too high!!! gurrrrrrr just listen and think people and life would be oh so much easier!!!! I am SO glad it got fixed.........dug up an installed pool.......they lost their butt on this one I bet.

Air leak-well done! Now go add lube to the unions and pump basket lid gasket. In the unions there is a small o-ring seated in a groove. I add lube anytime I open them just to be on the safe side.

Pump noise complaint----------really??? And where is said pump? We can help you come up with some ideas to quiet it down some or at least dampen the noise. Share a pic that shows it and what it is on and around.

I have to laugh a little with you saying you should have come here first........I am guessing you just thought about what we would say so that started your brain to trouble shooting. WELL DONE TFP LOL

Kim:kim:

The noise complaint is sadly one of a crazy person to be frank. The city, association, and police all said it is fine. While on high the pump is loud, that is vacuum only. Otherwise I run it at 50% and could probably go lower, but I am working to get a feel for this pool before I do.

If you you look at the first photo, the rear of the pump (fan intake) it is pointed at my neighbors patio. We put in some arborvitaes to block the noise.

I went as as far as buying a decibel meter to test it and it is 2-3 dB over ambient noise on zero wind day. If that bothers him, not a whole lot I can do. Last ditch effort is I am building a shield to place behind the pump out of steel. I am going to line it with the sound deadening mat they use in car stereo systems. The key is keeping airflow to the pump to cool, while directing the noise away from him.

He has been harassing us constantly. In the end the association and city have said I have gone above and beyond. He wants nature reserve levels of quiet and he moved into a family subdivision. In a sweeping strike of karma, a pool is currently being installed in the house on the other side of him.

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And for an additional laugh... On the second dig I was watching on our cameras as I was traveling for work. I told my wife to go outside and tell him they were digging in the wrong spot. He told her, it would be “within inches” of the old one.

2 feet wrong in two different directions...

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Fences make good neighbors...............sigh......you sure have tried and are doing everything I would tell you to do. Now just wait for him to hear kids in the pool having great kid fun!!!! That laughs, shrieks, splashing, etc..............NOW that is noise!!! Not sure you noise meter can go that high LOL

:hug: thank you for trying to fix it for him

2 feet in 2 directions off????????????? Not nice words come to mind for that!!! GURRRRRRRR

Kim:kim:
 
quoted by Malico:

"He has been harassing us constantly. In the end the association and city have said I have gone above and beyond. He wants nature reserve levels of quiet and he moved into a family subdivision. In a sweeping strike of karma, a pool is currently being installed in the house on the other side of him."

Go to a local dog shelter and ask if you can temporarily adopt 3-4 small Yap Yap Dogs. the ones w the constant bark and real shrill ear-piercing bark. When he comes out, put all four yap yap's out to the edge of both your properties...when he go ballistic, tell him you agree w your pump being too loud and you wanted to do something drown out the pump sound for the both of you. :laughblue: Then call the dog shelter back and take the dogs back the next morning, then ask him if he can still hear the pump or is it better w the yap yap's there? He'll never mention the pump again... :)
 

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Wow, that is a nightmare. I'm an I.T. guy and would be itching to organize those wires as well, but I've seen worse. I often have situations where I tell a contractor that something is wrong but they deny it, only to have it actually be wrong. I love the fact you used cameras to watch the progress while away. Welcome to TFP
 
no one has a seamless install if you do not stay on top of the PB all the time...but, some PB's can really mess up things. It's more work on the front end and checking al the references that you can, go to BBB and reviews of all kinds. Go to your District Court and see if the PB has any civil law suits. I always ask, "what job went really wrong and give e a few names and numbers?"

It's not if a job goes wrong, but how the PB fixes it and what the buyer has to endure while fixing or getting fixed. The pool owner/PB relationship only really starts when the first problem happens...from that point on determines the rest of the build...
 
no one has a seamless install if you do not stay on top of the PB all the time...but, some PB's can really mess up things. It's more work on the front end and checking al the references that you can, go to BBB and reviews of all kinds. Go to your District Court and see if the PB has any civil law suits. I always ask, "what job went really wrong and give e a few names and numbers?"

It's not if a job goes wrong, but how the PB fixes it and what the buyer has to endure while fixing or getting fixed. The pool owner/PB relationship only really starts when the first problem happens...from that point on determines the rest of the build...

I did my research on them, even talked to a friend who is a city inspector where they install and he gave them the green light. Just bad luck on my end I guess. I think a big part of it is the market here has improved a lot, so more pools. They are working to build more pools but keeping quality is #2 priority.

In a funny twist, I figure everyone here would enjoy. I still have two big issues with the pool, the Hayward Colorlogic Light and the Sense and Dispense system that have never worked. My emails to the pool company have gone unanswered, they blow me off when I go into the store. Each time they blame Hayward rep for not being able to come out and look at it.

Never anger an IT guy who knows how to use Google... I found the Regional Sales Director on LinkedIn, guessed his work email address correctly and sent him an email last night. Had a call first thing this morning. I will give Hayward some big kudos for quickly responding to help me through the problems.
 
Never anger an IT guy who knows how to use Google... I found the Regional Sales Director on LinkedIn, guessed his work email address correctly and sent him an email last night. Had a call first thing this morning. I will give Hayward some big kudos for quickly responding to help me through the problems.

LOVE IT! let us know how it goes!
 
Try some outdoor speakers and play sounds of birds chirping or animals roaring for your neighbor who wants a park reserve. ;)
 
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