- Sep 4, 2022
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
I don't want to admit it but I see it in my future. Would be great to get a picture of our backyard from there!
Newb OB with BYOP in Buckeye AZ - Completion and wrap up
- Thread starter Schwimmbad
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- Sep 4, 2022
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Even though I'm past this point and will have a standard return instead of my harebrained idea mentioned in this post, I did call A&A yesterday. They would not give me an answer and referred me to Glacier.
- Sep 4, 2022
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Inspector said ok to backfill after gas rough inspection. Still need to talk to landscaper about why they wanted to not backfill until they are onsite.
- Feb 6, 2015
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- CircuPool RJ-45 Plus
Passing the buck.
Actually, A&A should know the max designed flow rate in both directions.
- Sep 4, 2022
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Yea, when I asked the question and they asked what it would be connected to I said what does it matter, just let me know if it can handle a reverse flow and what the limits would be. I asked several times and they only referred me to Glacier. Oh well, seemed like potentially a neat little idea.
Chiming in about the pictures and another thing.
I don't think I have ever thought jeez this post has too many pictures! Keep them coming.
As a fellow OB your posts, diagrams, and pictures are a treasure trove.
Also, I was curious if you know the yards of concrete for your pool.
Thank you.
I don't think I have ever thought jeez this post has too many pictures! Keep them coming.
As a fellow OB your posts, diagrams, and pictures are a treasure trove.
Also, I was curious if you know the yards of concrete for your pool.
Thank you.
Possibly the reason for the landscape crew to want to fill in the trenches themselves is because they are responsible for any settling that may occur in the future, and they will know it’s compaction rate if they are in charge of that aspect.
This is common with deck crews and flat work crews.
This is common with deck crews and flat work crews.
- Sep 4, 2022
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- 15400
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I was joking about the photos. I love other's pics as well and it will be a great resource for me in the future. I'll be keeping it up!
On to your question on yards of concrete, we ended up with 33. One of the bidders said our design called for 29 (I don't know if they actually did a detail calc as our design doesn't quote that anywhere). Anyway, I think our benches being curved added 1 yard, not sure if the excavator had cave in's or took creative license, I wasn't watching closely at that point. Since both looked similar, I think they did it intentionally, but I dunno.
By the way, our 7 shotcrete bids ranged from 26.5 to 33 with the average at 29. Price per extra yard ranged from 300 to 360 with the average at 320.
Each truck had 11 yards and they ordered 3 full mixers. They didn't have much waste (I guess less than a yard), so at least it nearly all went in the hole. They put the waste in big plastic bags rather than kiddie pools, made some comment about easier disposal and more environmentally friendly.
Oh, while I was over there and if anyone is curious about what the access path looks like at this point, see below. Generally not too bad but that area did get tore up pretty good. It's hard to tell but there is a depression of about 8" that the one time we had a monsoon it held water for a couple days. That's a big concern for homes in our area, expansive soils can wreak havoc with foundations, they are all post tension slabs for good reason.
By the way, the 1 foot of my neighbors property they let me use saved us about $1,600 by giving us room for a mini1 excavator (there is a nice Lobster Gram coming their way in their future).
- Sep 4, 2022
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Got a little delivery surprise today. These pics are for @kimkats. We aren't the most blingy people, but I really love these. Our fire bowls are made of the same material so I can't wait to see how they turned out.
The manufacturer makes these to order (took 4 weeks so if looking for anything a little unique, make sure to nail it down early). I was able to get the hammered patina on all the sides but the bottom. I'm glad because I expect the water would not flow correctly over the hammered finish.
One install question, we will have an 18" high wall (with 6x6 tile) with a bullnose travertine tile top. How high up on the wall would these "typically" be? Or said another way, how far below the bottom of the travertine should the top of the scupper be? I was thinking 2" below the travertine. Is this just a matter of personal preference or is there a good practice?
Also, I got this stuff below for some outdoor artwork and they said to spray it every year. It really made the artwork pop so I'm really curious if anyone has put something like this on something similar? I'm going to send the scupper manufacturer this question and see what they say, just curious if there is any real world experience (hoping the queen of bling has some comments).
The manufacturer makes these to order (took 4 weeks so if looking for anything a little unique, make sure to nail it down early). I was able to get the hammered patina on all the sides but the bottom. I'm glad because I expect the water would not flow correctly over the hammered finish.
One install question, we will have an 18" high wall (with 6x6 tile) with a bullnose travertine tile top. How high up on the wall would these "typically" be? Or said another way, how far below the bottom of the travertine should the top of the scupper be? I was thinking 2" below the travertine. Is this just a matter of personal preference or is there a good practice?
Also, I got this stuff below for some outdoor artwork and they said to spray it every year. It really made the artwork pop so I'm really curious if anyone has put something like this on something similar? I'm going to send the scupper manufacturer this question and see what they say, just curious if there is any real world experience (hoping the queen of bling has some comments).
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the scuppers! The hammered look really adds to the overall beauty!
So the spray will be on what kind of artwork? I will say the sun will be the biggest problem with most artwork outside.
So the spray will be on what kind of artwork? I will say the sun will be the biggest problem with most artwork outside.
- Sep 4, 2022
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
I already used the spray on outdoor metal artwork like below.
Rust-Oleum markets the spray as non-yellowing and UV resistant. I'm hesitant to use it on the scuppers. I contacted the company and they said the scuppers are already sealed and would not offer an opinion on using the spray. I decided against it.
Rust-Oleum markets the spray as non-yellowing and UV resistant. I'm hesitant to use it on the scuppers. I contacted the company and they said the scuppers are already sealed and would not offer an opinion on using the spray. I decided against it.
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Man, what a great thread. Thank you for the info and the pictures.
I am JUST getting started with my new construction home backyard project (first bid today). As a fellow Arizonan (in Gilbert), this info is very helpful to me. As much as I want to go the OB route, I just don't know if I have it in me to put in the work and attention that you have here. Gives me quite a bit to think about.
I am JUST getting started with my new construction home backyard project (first bid today). As a fellow Arizonan (in Gilbert), this info is very helpful to me. As much as I want to go the OB route, I just don't know if I have it in me to put in the work and attention that you have here. Gives me quite a bit to think about.
@pcollins22 please know that even if you go with a Pool Builder (PB) you will still need to be VERY involved in the process. You will need to be there for all of the big items such a marking the yard to the digging for the pool. Just keep that in mind. Having a PB can be helpful but also know some times they only show up to collect the next check.
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- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
@pcollins, my opinion is I would absolutely go the OB route again. Yes it does take more time, and it's on you to decide how to deal with your contractors on any mistakes. As you can see from my thread the TFP community is a great resource to help along the way. Believe me you can do it without being so heavily involved as I have been. All the contractors know what to do, they do it every day.
I agree with @kimkats that even with a PB you still need to be very involved checking things are going correctly. I just didn't want to be beholden to a middleman. You never know what is going on behind the scenes in their back office or the what's happening with their contractors. You are placing your trust primarily in that person, hoping they aren't overloaded, and that the same person stays on your job.
I find a lot of comfort in talking directly to the contractors. Some have been great, prompt, responsive, taking the time to answer my questions, and others only wanted to deal in emails and text messages and not be bothered with questions. There was one contractor I thought was pretty good and told them I wanted to use them and they became less responsive. After about 2 weeks of trying to have a discussion with him and not connecting I decided to go with someone else. I don't know what happened, maybe just had too many jobs going. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, there are many contractors where I didn't go with low bidder. Ultimately you make your decision on who you are going to go with after doing research on the companies and interactions with you along with their pricing and availability.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
I agree with @kimkats that even with a PB you still need to be very involved checking things are going correctly. I just didn't want to be beholden to a middleman. You never know what is going on behind the scenes in their back office or the what's happening with their contractors. You are placing your trust primarily in that person, hoping they aren't overloaded, and that the same person stays on your job.
I find a lot of comfort in talking directly to the contractors. Some have been great, prompt, responsive, taking the time to answer my questions, and others only wanted to deal in emails and text messages and not be bothered with questions. There was one contractor I thought was pretty good and told them I wanted to use them and they became less responsive. After about 2 weeks of trying to have a discussion with him and not connecting I decided to go with someone else. I don't know what happened, maybe just had too many jobs going. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, there are many contractors where I didn't go with low bidder. Ultimately you make your decision on who you are going to go with after doing research on the companies and interactions with you along with their pricing and availability.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
- Sep 4, 2022
- 341
- Pool Size
- 15400
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Personal preference, think about the tile size in between the scupper and the coping.
Do a mock up this way and that way and share the pics. Don't forget grout lines for the sizing.
Schwimmbad,
I'll be doing OB as well. Waiting for the engineer to finish my plans . Thanks a bunch for sharing info on the process. It's nice to have such a knowledgeable community to provide feedback. Good luck on the rest of the project!
I'll be doing OB as well. Waiting for the engineer to finish my plans . Thanks a bunch for sharing info on the process. It's nice to have such a knowledgeable community to provide feedback. Good luck on the rest of the project!