new pool owner some pics and numbers

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Jimmyj5800

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Oct 19, 2016
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Murphy Texas
Pool Size
15010
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
hello, just joined and wanted to post with some of my numbers so far and some pics . also got my signature filled out. I'm working on vs settings as well if anyone has any advice on that. currently I am set to rum 8am-2pm 2450 rpm and from 2pm-4pm 3450rpm for suction side cleaning purpose. the cleaner dose not do well at 2450rpm. what do you think?

FC 1 - just added a new chlorine tab to the feeder.
PH 8.0 already added 2qt of acid
TA 70
calcium hardness 210
CA 30
 

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Hi Jimmy,

Welcome to TFP.. A great place to be.. :lovetfp:

Nice looking pool and spa. That said, I see a couple of issues.

1. You show your FC at 1 ppm when you should never let your FC drop below 2 and you should be trying to keep the FC between 4 and 6 ppm. See this chart.. Chlorine CYA Chart
2. New plaster pools will drive pH up for the first 6 months or so. Another thing that will drive pH up is aeration from your bubbles and overflow into the pool. You should be trying to keep pH from getting above 7.8 if possible.
3. Most people on this site do not use chlorine tabs to feed our pool except maybe while on vacation. Your CYA is at 30 which is perfect, but as you continue to use tabs the CYA will increase to a point your chlorine is not enough to fight off algae and your pool will turn green. Suggest you read "Pool School" at the tab at the top of this page.
4. As for your pump speed, whatever works for you, works for us.... but, the whole point of having a variable speed pump is to save on the electric bill, so the slower you run the better. I run mine at 1,200 RPM just because I have a SWCG which requires that RPM to work. If I could I'd run it a slow as it will go.

Thanks for posting..

Jim R.
 
Thanks Jim. A few questions for you. What are you doing to add chlorine? I am doing a program the pool company sold me on .ill have to remember what it's called. But I have a pool rx thing in the strainer and I dumped 40 pounds of some stuff in the pool . A softener I think and it's a system that basically fight alge and lessen the chlorine need. I know it was low I just missed adding the puck on time. Also how long do u run your pool at that rpm? I have a suction side cleaner that won't work below 2400 rpm. Thanks for the info.
 
Jim, I found the paper of what I'm doing ...
I added 45lbs of borate supreme plus
Pool rx mineral system
Weekly enzyme and phosphate remover/6oz a week in season and when we use spa
And I would use polly quat 60 in season only

This is suppose to be a low chlorine program?
 
Jimmy,

The premise behind the TFP process is to use only what your pool needs and nothing else. So about the only thing we put in our pools, on a regular basis, is chlorine to sanitize the pool and muriatic acid to reduce pH. Doing this means not going to the pool store, never having to shock your pool on a weekly basis, never having your pool turn green, and never adding "stuff" to our pool that just makes the pool stores richer.

Following our process there are three way to add chlorine to your pool:

1. Manually add liquid chlorine (Just plain bleach you can buy anywhere).
2. Use a Stenner pump system which adds a little chlorine a number of times a day.
3. Convert to a Salt Water pool, where the salt is converted into chlorine by a SWCG.

I have a Salt Water pool. I love it. Very easy maintenance and we love the feel of the water.

All that said, the key is why you believe that a low chlorine system is necessary? Once you realize that chlorine is not "bad" then it makes little sense to reduce the one chemical in your pool that does the most to sanitize the water.

As far as your pump speed goes, it certainty makes sense to run your pump at whatever RPM your pool cleaner requires to operate correctly for the two hours you run your cleaner. My comment on running slower was for the majority of time your pump is running. I'd run it at as low of an RPM that you can that still allows your skimmers to work well. You really can't hurt anything. Set it for 1,000 RPM and run it for a couple of days and see how it works.

I am not familiar with whatever chemical system you currently are using. I'll see if I can get one of our chemical experts to chime in.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Poolrx is just another copper product. Not recommended at all.

The borates can have some benefit but are not necessary. They are not generally recommended or discouraged. They are optional. My opinion is that they're not worth it for most pools.
 
Read here -

Is Poolrx for real

I don't have a lot of time to respond (I'm on the road) but everything you are putting in your pool is a waste of money and unnecessary (except for the polyquat-60 but that should not be needed in a regular basis).

If you are trying to do the low chlorine / alternative sanitizer thing, there's not much TFP can do to help you. TFP does not ever endorse the use of metal ion systems. Chlorine is the most effective, safest and cheapest form of sanitation possible. When used correctly, it works better than anything else. Everything else is less effective and more costly.
 
Congrats on the new pool, Jimmyj5800! Lots of fun times ahead :)

I noticed that your calcium hardness level is a bit low. You can refer to this for recommended levels --> Pool School - Recommended Levels

Your new plaster is still curing and having a low calcium level in the water can cause a weakening of the plaster in the pool.

Here is a reference for what you can use to raise your CH --> Pool School - Recommended Pool Chemicals

Yippee :flower:
 
Jimmy, I am just here to let you know that all of the above experts and guides are spot on with what they are telling you. If you listen to them and follow their directions your pool will look like a jewel and be MUCH cheaper and easier to take care of in the long run!

Kim:kim:
 
Thanks for all the info . Is there some info on using liquid chlorine out here ? How often will I de adding it ? And I am interested in the steener pump system I will be doing some reading up on that.
 

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Jimmy,

If adding manually, you will need to add chlorine every day in the summer, and every few days in the winter. This is what makes a SWG or Stenner Pump so much less work.

Suggest you use the "search box", in the upper right of this screen, and see what others have been saying about the Stenner..

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
I've been reading a ton on the liquid chorine method recommended. I see you test everyday and add chlorine accordingly. I cant seem to tell how much chlorine you are using daily. is it a lot seems like that can get expensive do you just add based off your numbers daily or is there a set amount of chlorine you add daily

sorry for the novice questions just trying to learn as much as I can .
 
A typical, clean, algae-free pool will consume about 2-4ppm FC per day from loss to UV light and typical bather loads. So, on the high end, your 15,000 gallon pool would use about 89 fl. oz. (2 quarts + 3 cups) of standard, laundry bleach (8.25%) per day. Depending on your local availability, you may be able to source pool chlorine (10% bleach) at a lower price than standard Clorox if you buy it in bulk. I have a local pool store in my area that sells 12.5% liquid chlorine at a fairly low price if you buy it in 4 one gallon reusable containers.
 
So how much are you spending on bleach in a year or chlorine seems like it would be in 300-500 dollar range based off of adding 89 oz a day for the summer months and a little less in the winter. Typicall bottle is 1 gallon I think ? 128 oz
 
A lot less in the winter. I use a saltwater chlorine generator so I can't speak fully to bleach use except for the winter. During the four coldest months here when my SWG will not run, i typically use about a gallon of bleach per month, maybe a little less. Until the water warms up to about 78F, the FC consumption rate is minimal, barely even 1ppm/day. The numbers I cited above are for the hottest months of the swim season. It's only during those months that you would be seeing 3 or 4ppm/day.

I think most manual bleach users find that they spend, on average, $50/month on bleach at the height of the swim season.
 
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