Massive chlorine consumption during SLAM (41 ppm combined chlorine)

bbalthazor2

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Jun 10, 2021
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Hi all,

I've been leveraging knowledge from this website for the past few years with great results for my pool, but currently helping my parents work through an issue with their pool and a bit stumped. Here's the details/story:

~25,000 gallon above ground pool
sand filter (new sand last month, have been backwashing daily during recent few days)
~400k BTU gas heater
Illinois

FC-see below
CC- see below
CYA- 67 ppm pool store (~ 60 with taylor kit)
pH 7.0 (taylor)
130 TA (pool store)
200 hardness (pool store)
1995 phosphate (high I know, but not expecting it to cause an issue during SLAM..)

They had always used tri-chlor pucks to add chlorine and mostly tested with strips and a couple weeks ago they had a cloudy pool. Turns out CYA was at 180 ppm, so I had them remove 2/3 of water and they hauled in water with tanker. Brought the CYA down to 67 ppm. I then had them add 5 gallons 12.5% chlorine (25 ppm chlorine) and pool cleared up quickly. I then had them use cal hypo tablets instead for now. However, they didn't have a good test kit and pool started to turn a green over the next week or so. (A very clear emerald green, so I initially thought iron). I then had them get a Taylor K-2006 test kit and stock up on 12.5% liquid chlorine to do a proper SLAM and have the tools to maintain pool. I had them reduce pH to 7.2 (took 1 gallon HCl) and add 5 gallons 12.5% chlorine (25 ppm chlorine) and by the next day the green is clearing up, they continue to add more (multiple gallons, not sure exact amount) to keep chlorine high (never quite at SLAM though) and by day 2 the pool is crystal clear, but apparently not holding much chlorine (dropping from 20 to 10 during the day).

So this morning I tell them to up the liquid chlorine and add whatever it takes to maintain 25 ppm FC. Here's the results of the day:

morning- added 13 gallons 12.5% chlorine, wait ~45 minutes
FC 25.5, CC about 0 (I thought this was great!)
immediately added 2 more gallons to be safe
11:30 AM, retest after 2 hours since last addition, FC 17.5, CC 9, so added 4 more gallons
1:00 PM FC 10, CC 13 (they go buy more chlorine)

I then ask them to remove the large ladder they have with steps that 'hold' water and have sand in for weight, thinking maybe something is growing inside of them.

6:35 PM, stocked up on chlorine, add 33 gallons (this should be 165 ppm!!))
6:55 PM 8.5 FC, 25 CC
7:21 PM 7 FC, 31 CC
7:25 PM added 22 more gallons
7:50 PM 11 FC, 41 CC

At this point dad just went to the store and bought 120 more gallons of chlorine, it seems to be getting out of hand (already have added close to 70 gallons).. thoughts?? Pool has remained crystal clear and I don't thinks its ammonia, because chlorine doesn't drop to 0 FC on the order of minutes...

Thanks,
Bryan
 
6:35 PM, stocked up on chlorine, add 33 gallons (this should be 165 ppm!!))
6:55 PM 8.5 FC, 25 CC
7:21 PM 7 FC, 31 CC
7:25 PM added 22 more gallons
7:50 PM 11 FC, 41 CC
You are likely bleaching out your test reagents. Try diluting the pool water 10 to 1 and see what it reads. If it's too low then try 5 to 1.

What possibly possessed you to go off script with 55 gallons of 12.5% added ?
 
What @Newdude said ... the testing is going to way off with that much chlorine in thew water. Dilute with distilled water or bottled water and retest the FC level.
 
What @Newdude said ... the testing is going to way off with that much chlorine in thew water. Dilute with distilled water or bottled water and retest the FC level.
Thanks for the idea, I didn't see test kit error as a possible issue based on the volumes and past results, trending, etc, but in any case see results below.

Latest neat test- FC-17 (this was about 45 minutes ago)
1:10 dilution (1 mL pool water, 9 mL bottled water)- 2 drops = FC- 1.0 ppm (10 ppm FC accounting for 10X DF)
1:25 dilution (1 mL pool water, 24 mL bottled water)- 1 drop = FC- 0.2 ppm (5 ppm FC accounting for 25X DF)
 
Did you check the date codes on your chlorine and do you know if the store kept them inside? Chlorine degrades quickly if left outside, but even if it degraded down to 1% you should still see a good jump in FC after 55 gallons?!?!

Additionally, have you double checked the expiration dates on your reagents and your testing technique? Something is off.
 
Did you check the date codes on your chlorine and do you know if the store kept them inside? Chlorine degrades quickly if left outside, but even if it degraded down to 1% you should still see a good jump in FC after 55 gallons?!?!

Additionally, have you double checked the expiration dates on your reagents and your testing technique? Something is off.
Thanks JJ, yes chlorine is all fresh off new pallets, some from pool store, rest from Menards. Regents are from brand new kit, don't expire until next year or 2026. Also, I had my mom get a Taylor K-1515-A kit (also FAS-DPD) to confirm the results- no differences when tested from same pool sample.

And yes, I'm stumped too. My best guess as of now is that some mystery chemical from fill water or from tanker transportation is destroying the chlorine about instantly. But not as fast as ammonia does (based on other discussion on this forum).
 
Update: 40 more gallons added last night after FC dropped below 5. Shortly after addition measured at 18FC and 61CC.

And then this morning-
Neat test:
5 FC, 84CC
Retest with 10X water dilution:
0.5 FC, 7 CC (so 5 FC and 70 CC, after correcting for dilution)

And then mid day-
Neat test:
5.5 FC, 96CC
Retest with 25X water dilution:
0.2 FC (1 drop), 1.2 CC (so 5 FC (or lower) and 30 CC, after correcting for dilution)

I do not see this as a bleaching issue, I am curious though if folks have other ideas of what could cause this level of chlorine consumption.
 
At this point, you've added 114 gallons of 12.5% in about 24 hours. That is 570ppm worth of chlorine. I can't imagine there is anything in the water that will consume that much chlorine that quickly. Either your chlorine is reduced to just salt and water or the FC is too high to test, even with dilution.
 

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Someone smarter than me can devise a test where the straight chlorine from jug is combined with distilled water with an expected result of 10ppm FC to test for potency. But that is the thought that came to mind with these mind boggling levels and potential for degraded chlorine.
 
Its probably testing error on the CC. Right after testing for Cl add the drops for CC and when it clear that is the result. If you wait it will return to pink that is normal, dont add any more drops.
 
With the huge amounts of FC you are adding to the pool, ALMOST ANYTHING will begin to oxidize and form CC's.

PLEASE STOP ADDING CHLORINE TO YOUR POOL!

You are creating a chemical hazard. Let all the FC drift down to zero and start over again. 114 gallons of LC, even with a cheap source of LC at perhaps $4/gal, has seen nearly $500 worth of chemicals wasted. Just let the pool water go back to normal ranges and start over.
 
With the huge amounts of FC you are adding to the pool, ALMOST ANYTHING will begin to oxidize and form CC's.

PLEASE STOP ADDING CHLORINE TO YOUR POOL!

You are creating a chemical hazard. Let all the FC drift down to zero and start over again. 114 gallons of LC, even with a cheap source of LC at perhaps $4/gal, has seen nearly $500 worth of chemicals wasted. Just let the pool water go back to normal ranges and start over.


Just curious, would that much FC oxidize the CYA and bring it to 0?
 
morning- added 13 gallons 12.5% chlorine, wait ~45 minutes
FC 25.5, CC about 0 (I thought this was great!)
immediately added 2 more gallons to be safe
11:30 AM, retest after 2 hours since last addition, FC 17.5, CC 9, so added 4 more gallons
1:00 PM FC 10, CC 13 (they go buy more chlorine)
That is basically impossible if the contamination was already in the water.

So, either the first CC test was wrong or the contamination was in what you added.

The only thing that I know of for pool chemicals that can give CC levels like that would be sulfamic acid.

Did you use any metal products like Jack's #2 Copper and Scale Stuff?
 
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