Length /depth question

[luma7]

You can't access or control your system from your phone, which I have found to be very convenient.

I haven't reviewed this thread in great detail, but I would skip the in floor cleaning system and any water/pump powered cleaning machine. Instead, just get an electric robot.

Thanks @Dtkokay for the info on the equipment. Did you mean to say inconvenient or do you like that you can't use your phone?

I have to talk to the PB today to see if we can drop both systems.

 

[Dtkokay]

Thanks @Dtkokay for the info on the equipment. Did you mean to say inconvenient or do you like that you can't use your phone?

I have to talk to the PB today to see if we can drop both systems.

I *really* like being able to monitor and control the pool from my phone, iPad, or anywhere with an internet connection. I'm not sure if the PDA system quoted by your PB has those capabilities.

 

[Yev]

Thanks, @Yev , for the suggestion. I don't understand though. Our builder gave us a rule of 1' of drop per 3' of space. We have the wide shallow (4') area on the right side of the design for hanging out and playing. The bench diagonally across from the two chairs was put in 4' of water so I can walk over and sit on it without having to worry about spilling my drink . Then the pool turns back and goes deeper. We thought that drop off from the bench to the deeper end dropped as sharply as we could?

I was already thinking about talking to the PB today to add 3' to that bend to smooth out that drop a little but if I'm missing something, I would love the information.

Maybe you accounted for this. Lets say a diving deep end is 8 foot deep. Your original shallow end was 3.5 feet. This leaves you with a 4.5 foot rise. With the 1 to 3 ratio, that means that you need 13.5 feet to slope up from the deep end.

But if your shallow end if 4 foot, then you only have 4 foot of rise. With a 1 to 3 ration, that means that you need 12 foot of run to slope up from teh deep end. This ends up being 1.5 feet less since the shallow end is deeper.

Hope that is more clear.

 

[luma7]

Maybe you accounted for this. Lets say a diving deep end is 8 foot deep. Your original shallow end was 3.5 feet. This leaves you with a 4.5 foot rise. With the 1 to 3 ratio, that means that you need 13.5 feet to slope up from the deep end.

But if your shallow end if 4 foot, then you only have 4 foot of rise. With a 1 to 3 ration, that means that you need 12 foot of run to slope up from teh deep end. This ends up being 1.5 feet less since the shallow end is deeper.

Hope that is more clear.

Thanks! We're meeting with the PB today and hoping to get a smidge more depth out of the design. Will update later today

 

[luma7]

I *really* like being able to monitor and control the pool from my phone, iPad, or anywhere with an internet connection. I'm not sure if the PDA system quoted by your PB has those capabilities.

Thank you! This is an excellent tip. I am meeting with the PB today and will ask about this.

 

[luma7]

As an update to this thread - we've submitted a request to the PB to drop the travertine and PV3 and increase the size of the pool and make it slightly deeper. Hopefully, will post new pictures later today. Really appreciate all the help.

 

[luma7]

Met with the PB today and Snoopy's shape basically means to get length I also get width so the size ballooned up to
18366 gallons, 38'7"x22.3". That ate up more than the $9K we dropped from the extras. Tomorrow we will try again - to either find some middle ground - or we will go with the design we had Sunday.

The EcoPool is part of the base price so it looks like I will have to hone my communication skills to get them to drop that out of the package.

Will keep you updated.

Thanks

 

[luma7]

Hi All, Thank you very much for all the help! We ended up making the deep end wider and longer based on @Newdude * @Yev 's feedback, moved the exit shelf based on @kimkats's excellent catch regarding the safety of its previous position.

The size is now
19674 gallons
97 perimeter
501.3 area

Sketch and photos attached.

@Jimrahbe We dropped the PV3 and added a heater. Your feedback on equipment was appreciated
@Dtkokay you were correct that we cannot use our phone for the automation. We'd have to get a spa to be able to upgrade to that option. Appreciate you pointing that out so we could discuss.
@kimkats the overflow for the pool will go out the skimmer to a pipe at grade for runoff. It will likely be 10' from the pool on the "tree"/west side of the drawing. If we want to take it further, we will have to work it out with the site manager at the time of installation. We'd pay any extra at that time. My builder said that since we have a grade that slopes away from the house that if the pool overflows the water will run downhill, away from the house anyway. I'm very glad you asked me the question so we could have the conversation.

Our permit was approved today and hopefully should start the dig next week.

 

[Dtkokay]

You don't have to get a spa to get phone automation. My pool doesn't have a spa, and I still find the ability to monitor and control from my phone to be super convenient.

 

[Jimrahbe]

My builder said that since we have a grade that slopes away from the house that if the pool overflows the water will run downhill, away from the house anyway.

Luma,

Your pool builder is quite the idiot.

The reason that you want an overflow port is because if the pool overflows, water will get under the coping and decking.. If it does this often enough, the coping can fail. You really don't want to let the pool water get above the bottom of the coping.

Thanks,

Jim R.