Layout Help

Diva23

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Feb 2, 2017
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Toronto
Hello, Could use some help as where to place things in the area, such as the pool, gazebo, shed with over hang for lounging area.
I worry that it will have too much paved area and not enough garden. Below is a sketch of what we have so far. Any help would be
appreciated, Thanks in advance.



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Thanks for the idea, my concern is where to put the shed?
We are in the idea stage right now, so nothing is built. Everything is open for change.
However, we have a gazebo that we need to find a place for.
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Unless I missed it in the chart above, I would highlight where your pool equipment pad is going to be. Determine if the equipment will be left open to the elements or covered (i.e. shed). You have quite a few attractions noted above that require electrical, so the pool pad will be an important part of that equation. Definitely focus on the flow of electrical, plumbing, and gas requirements first, then all the aesthetic items will fall right into place. That should shape-up to be an outstanding playground. :)
 
Originally the thought was to put the pool equipment behind the shed in the far corner of the yard. But I am starting to like the idea of putting the gazebo in the back corner as it might make a nice focal point. Another idea, is to get rid of the sunlocust tree and put a cabana/storage area there. However, I need to find ideas for the a cabana to go nicely in a V shape corner.

So as of right now I don't know where to put the pool equipment. And I am not sure what I need to do to focus on electrical, plumbing and gas requirements. Can use some help with that?

Thanks
 
The gas line is usually the most expensive item to run and the longer the run the more you may have to upgrade service. So, keeping that closer can save some bucks. Gas service can run in the thousands. Running electric service is cheap and easy, adding 50' will not add a lot of cost. Running plumbing from the pool to the equipment pad isn't a big deal either and extra 50' feet is not a probleem. The main considerations for equipment location is noise inside the house and in the pool area, easy access to clean filters and visual. Although, modern variable speed pumps are very quiet. Not like the screaming pool pumps in the olden days. :)
 
Do you have a picture looking straight back into the yard and also one back towards the house? The one you provided is very helpful but the full view is a big help for idea generation. Also note which direction is north.

You labeled one tree as sunlocust. I'm not familiar with that tree. Do you happen to mean Sunburst Honeylocust? What type of tree is that deciduous tree behind your blue spruce? Is your blue spruce a hybrid (and if so what name)? All important in properly locating them. One problem many folks make is underestimating the ultimate size of a tree. And here as it relates to pools, almost everyone underestimates the effect of trees on their pools. I LOVE trees. But I also respect them for what they are and what they do and like to consider that in the process. Your back yard looks very nice. And you have some interest in having substantial trees near the pool (and your neighbors trees) so I just wanted to bring that into the conversation.

Talk to us about the steps shown in your drawing. Does your lot fall from the lower right corner to the back left corner? Do you know for sure how many steps you will need to get the proper elevation for your pool? Or are we just working with estimates at this point?

Where will the thousands of gallons of water go from the pool if you lower the water level for winter? It looks like the back may be backing up to all neighbors yards. And for water drainage in general, what is your plan for how the water will flow off of the pool deck, house roof, etc?

Do you plan to have a walkway on the left side of the pool? It looks like it gets blocked by the waterfall (with only a total of 5' between water and fence if I'm reading it correctly). I'm not trying to discourage you from getting a waterfall, but a few notes. You will not likely want to run your waterfall except when you are by the pool. Constant running will elevate your pH quickly. The waterfall may be fairly loud. Folks often comment how they are louder than they expected. The waterfall may complicate how your winter cover attaches - not a big deal but does have some impact. It may also keep you from walking along that side of the pool depending on how bit it is and what style.

Yes you will want some shade by the pool. But being honest, in Toronto, you will not want any shade on the pool water surface if you can avoid it. You'll want all of the exposure for heating you can get. You didn't mention whether it would be heated (other than by el sol naturally).

More decking the better, but do you also have dogs/kids that would like grass? That is always a tough balancing act. 1000+ sq. ft. is always a good starting point, not counting skinny walkways, for space. It allows room for multiple tables/seating areas, open space for swimmers moving about and folks standing around talking. More is always good too. As a reference, we have about 1200 sq. ft. along the two most accessible sides of our pool and our pool is 18 x 38, so not that much different. You can see my build thread in my signature to see the furniture layout on that amount of decking. Though our pool is standalone so we have no house patio space next to the pool.

You are at one of the most exciting but important phases of pool construction. Read all of the construction threads you can on here to keep the ideas flowing you your head.
 
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Thanks you so much for taking time for this. With an expensive project like this and with never having a pool before there is alot to learn and worry about making an expensive mistake.
The yard faces NE, I get sun for most of the day and the house will start casting a shadow over the yard by around 4 pm, depending on the month.
Yes the tree on the right side of the yard, where the V shape is is a Sunburst Honeylocust. As for all the trees, my neighbours have alot of them. I am not sure what tree you are refering to but most of my neighbour trees are maples. I get to rake approx. 20 bags of their leaves every year. I would like to save and relocate the blue spruce and the japanese maple maybe to the front yard ( not sure).

The yard is higher at the back by 18", so I might need one or two steps up to the pool area. This is just an estimate.
Drainage? not sure, the street has a basin infront of my house.

I wasn't planning on a walk way on the left side only to give more space to the right. If I had a bigger yard I would like a walkway.
Waterfall, don't really need it. I thought if not a water fall in the pool, then have a water feature in the garden around somewhere.

Yes the pool will be heated.

Yes, I have dogs and kids. Would like grass area, but no space and worry about grass getting into the pool.
thanks again
 
Thanks for the extra picture. You have a nice space back there. Not tons of extra room but also not shoe-horned in when you are finished. Glad to hear you will be heating the pool for your comfort and ability to use your pool throughout the summer.

The Sunburst Honeylocust is a beautiful tree that provides great dappled sunlight below it - and the bonus of yellow leaves in the spring. Which is great because you can still grow grass and other things underneath. It is also fairly large in maturity, 35-40' wide. I only say this because I had one (past tense) and loved it. The leaves just disappear into the grass or mulch when they fall. The only problem is that, whether or not you realize it, they also fall all summer long (at least here mine did). Which meant that there were all these cool little green leaflets floating in my pool. Not so big of a deal if the skimmer would get them, but since they were so small, they stuck to the waterline tile with each wave's crest. I would absolutely not do anything with the tree until you see how it goes for a year or two, but I just had to share my experience with that specific tree which was about 35' (trunk to water's edge) away from the pool. I cut mine down after one year of pool ownership - and planted a Baby Blue Spruce in its place.

I'm going to make a suggestion of something that is expensive and I normally don't even suggest them to people. But in your case, there are many reasons why it could make sense for you. An automatic pool cover (autocover). My pricing is USD but they would run in the $10-15K range. There are several ways you can keep the cost down. And since your pool is a liner, that helps the cost in that the pit needed can be a plastic tub of sorts, versus a concrete pit. My reasons for (and against) suggesting an autocover are the following:

Pros:

1) Your pool will be heated (heated pools benefit greatly from being covered at night or when it is cool and/or breezy)
2) Covering and uncovering a pool with a bubble type cover is far less than something anyone enjoys - and therefore doesn't happen regularly as many attest to
3) You live in Toronto. Even summer nights can be cool.
4) You have a leaf/debris situation, even during the summer, that is conducive to having the pool covered.
5) Your late season leaf load sounds impressive. And with a heater, you will have the option to keep it open into/through September as the leaves fall. (Though you may not want to pay the bills to keep it heated that long.)
6) You have kids. How old? With young kids, an autocover is tremendous peace of mind. With older kids, it keeps them from swimming when you aren't home if needed.
7) You have a dog. Does he/she swim (we love dog pictures too!)? Since your pool doesn't have a separate fence around it, you may find yourself with a frequently wet pooch unless they listen real good.
8) Your pool is rectangular which is by far the best shape when using an autocover.
9) You only get one chance to install an autocover the right way (with the rails below the coping) which is during initial construction.
10) Peace of mind when you are not home (vacation).
11) Lower chemical usage (chlorine specifically if the pool is closed often). I strongly recommend a salt water chlorine generator (SWCG) for sanitizing your pool. So essentially that would need to run less, and therefore last longer and need to be replaced less frequently. Not a big cost savings item (small really) but worth mentioning. Regardless, SWCG's are the way to go.

Cons:

1) Expense, as mentioned. Honestly usually the dealbreaker. I had it on my non-negotiable list - so, no autocover - no pool.
2) Occasional maintenance is needed.
3) Cover needs replacing after 7-10 years.
4) You still need a winter spring loaded safety cover.

You may say nope and that's perfect. I just wanted to let you know you are an ideal candidate for one.

I'll think a little bit about your actual question of yard layout and give you my thoughts sometime soon. I got a little distracted above by trees and autocover as you can see. :D
 

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You are so right.
You described the Sunburst Honeylocust tree perfectly. I really like the trees but I am coming with terms with getting rid of it.
Attached is the picture of the dogs. The white dog is a real princess. She doesn't like stepping on the grass. I don't allow her outside unless we are out as well. A big bird may fly by and pick her up for dinner. The other one doesn't like the water. So I can't imagine her going into the pool and that dog is well behaved. But you never know.

I definitely need to think about the automatic pool cover. It makes complete sense with all the leaves I get on that one side.
 
Your dogs are adorable!!

We actually opted for the autocover specifically because we have a dog. My friend's dog (a yorkie) accidentally drowned recently in a pool and while I think it is probably a rare occurrence, it made me worry about having a pool without a cover.
 
Some notes on your proposed layout. The blue spruce location that you show is only 9' +/- from the trunk to the bar stools. In time, a blue spruce, unless it is a vary narrow cultivar, will take over that space with ease, leaving no space to even walk by. I'd recommend drawing trees in their mature size to get the correct perspective. Is your equipment pad the rectangle behind the shed? That's one option, though it's a long run from your electrical source. What is your heating fuel? Electric or gas? If it's gas, that's a long, expensive run.

Bigger picture, if you plan to remove the Sunburst Honeylocust, you may consider pivoting the pool so that the bottom right corner moves over to the change of direction in the fence on the right while keeping the same offset from the fence, albeit now on the opposite side of the pool. This does several things. One is that I believe it keeps your pool in the sun longer in the later afternoon. I know that much of our swimming is late afternoon and it sure feels nice to have sun on you (keeping in mind your northern location - not Texas). Even in Maryland, I find myself wanting sun more often than shade while I'm in the pool. Not to mention more sun on pool equals less money heating it. That is, if in fact that move in fact improves your sun angle (I think it does). A second thing it does is kind of esoteric. When viewed from your house looking at the end of the pool makes it look smaller. If the pool is angled, it will look larger and seem like you are seeing more of it. I would also at least draw it up (and maybe even a third way if possible) just to see if something strikes your fancy that you didn't first expect.
 
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Is the previous picture visible to others? I can't see it on a computer.
 
Having problems posting the picture. I hope to get it worked out soon. I have been reworking the layout with the pool on the diagonal.
Not sure how to deal with all the angles in my yard, as I have a rectangle plus triangle shape. Not sure whether to line up shed to the back of house or to pool.
 

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