Lagoon style pool - SW Houston

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Jul 27, 2008
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Houston TX
Hello all - looking for some guidance on our first pool build. We will be building our pool alongside our house so trying to manage both projects has been very daunting to say the least and we havent't even broken ground yet :crazy:

I've attached a pic of the leading build out of our current bids and hoping the keen eyes can help spy anything we may have missed or possibly need to alter.

Here's the rather daunting list we were given (please let me know if i have left something out):

108’ perimeter pool with 595 square feet of space
3.5’ – 6’ depth
Upgraded colored PebbleSheen
Flagstone coping
Tier 1 waterline tile
7’ circle spa
Raised 12”
Includes rolled beam
Blower
6 jets
Open spillway
Dedicated suction for a cleaner and healthier pool
Autofill & Overflow
(4) pumps
Pool
Spa
Grotto slide
Weeping wall & Gushers
(3) LED lights in pool & (1) LED light in spa
6 Function iAqualink cell phone controls
400,000BTU heater
8’ & 5’ bench
Tanning shelf in different color than the pool
Also includes a Texas star logo
Sunken fire pit area
Sunken 18” with stone veneer
Gunite floors topped with same material as rest of the deck
Walls in sunken area are 18” above the floor with stone or tile veneer, capped with same flagstone as border of the pool
Fire pit has a 34.5” fire ring (so very large) w/ gas
Fire pit can have either glass, lava rock, or logs inside
Sump pump & tank to get water out of sunken area when it rains outside
(4) lights in the bench in the fire pit area
(3) bar stools with Pebble sides and tile tops
Guessing on 100’ of runs for gas and electric due to not knowing exact location of meters
Accent rock
893 square feet of deck coating deck with pattern while topping over existing patio with the same material
4” deck drains
(3) gushers
15’ of weeping wall
10 ton artificial grotto slide
(2) built in, manual ignition, fire rings in the waterfall
BioShield UV sanitation system
Polaris pool cleaner
RS-PS6 Pool Spa Combo w/I-Aqualink
Stealth Pump 1.5hp 110 gpm at 40ft.
Cartridge 460 sq.ft. max flow 150 gpm clean 2 times a year

Thanks for looking!
 

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Welcome to TFP and your first seriously awesome post...
Oh my :party: just wait til Kim sees this one. Texas Star...you are da man! Lots of good stuff there.

Put Texas or Houston in your profile for future use
This is Texas and with the humidity in Houston give careful thought to the 3.5' depth
BioShield UV sanitation??? SWG is awesome and you will see this come up many times
Stealth pump is that a VS or two speed pump
Polaris pump is it a robot if not which model
In fact if you can list out equipment with model numbers that would help
Lots of water features means hi pH
How many gallons is the pool
Run extra electrical and outlets
Get a light installed over the equipment pad

This is going to be an awesome build and I look forward to following!
 
You called?? Hi and THANKS! I was needing a new pool to build as most of the summers ones are done.....Lets get this party started!

I am going to go line by line to talk and ask questions about:

-open spillway-what does this mean? What will be in the opening? VERY important question as some use tile and others use pieces of coping.

-blower-more details needed. Like Cliff said lets get all brands and model numbers for the equipment

-"Dedicated suction for a cleaner and healthier pool"-have not heard it this way.......what does it mean? I know what I THINK it means but don't want to guess wrong.

-4 pumps-details please

-Weeping wall & Gushers-details please-by gushers I am thinking the bubblers on the shelf. Some have lights in them. The weeping wall-how will they make it weep?

-heater-details please

-benches-depth? You can vary the depth as well......something to think about-----oh and you can vary the depth in the spa as well!

-Texas star??? WHERE? What will it be made of???

-fire pit-GLASS please (I love BLING LOL)

-gas run-no guessing allowed-how much will the cost rise if you have to go longer than 100'?

-BioShield UV sanitation system-bye-bye-your Texas sun gives you plenty of free uv. Do as Cliff says and get a SWG.

-Polaris pool cleaner-think about getting a robot! You will LOVE it!

I would LOVE to see more pics of the plans! That slide is going to be purrfect. Do you have an inspiration picture?

This ought to keep you busy for a min :roll: LOL

Kim:kim:
 
@ctrav

Can you elaborate a bit on the "This is Texas and with the humidity in Houston give careful thought to the 3.5' depth" please? Still trying to get all this info into my brain pardon the slow uptake :)

@kimkats

Working on getting all the information you requested so hopefully I can provide a bit more details when I get it.


We haven't signed any paperwork yet and still looking over designs etc so if we need to make changes we are still in that phase thankfully.

I've also linked the vid of the design below so it may help some

https://vimeo.com/283486636

Thanks again for looking
 
Nice video...

Pool Depth - 3.5' is shallow. This comes up with most pool builds and many folks reconsider after discussion. What is your reasons for this depth? Do you have little ones? Suggest you take a tape measure and go from the ground up and see how 3.5', 4' and 4.5' looks. We started with the idea of 3.5' and we are at 4.5', 6', 4.5' for our depths. Houston is just as hot as north Texas and your humidity is much higher making it feel muggy if you know what I'm saying? The shallower the pool the more that water heats up! Plus thing about swimming...

Video - the video shows a kitchen/bar area (very cool) with what looks like a pizza oven and built in grill. From the video the oven and grill are very close to where the TV will be placed on the wall. Have you considered or have the room to bump that end out to the right? Just looks a little tight and 1, 2 or 3 feet make a huge difference. Also consider the prevailing winds in your backyard? When you are grilling some tasty smash burgers and the grill is smoking which way does the smoke usually blow? I have a fan on my countertop near the grill plus a ceiling fan on the main patio sitting area to help with this issue or my whole patio fills up with smoke :)

Hope this makes sense and helps...
 
ctrav said:
Nice video...

Pool Depth - 3.5' is shallow. This comes up with most pool builds and many folks reconsider after discussion. What is your reasons for this depth? Do you have little ones? Suggest you take a tape measure and go from the ground up and see how 3.5', 4' and 4.5' looks. We started with the idea of 3.5' and we are at 4.5', 6', 4.5' for our depths. Houston is just as hot as north Texas and your humidity is much higher making it feel muggy if you know what I'm saying? The shallower the pool the more that water heats up! Plus thing about swimming...

Video - the video shows a kitchen/bar area (very cool) with what looks like a pizza oven and built in grill. From the video the oven and grill are very close to where the TV will be placed on the wall. Have you considered or have the room to bump that end out to the right? Just looks a little tight and 1, 2 or 3 feet make a huge difference. Also consider the prevailing winds in your backyard? When you are grilling some tasty smash burgers and the grill is smoking which way does the smoke usually blow? I have a fan on my countertop near the grill plus a ceiling fan on the main patio sitting area to help with this issue or my whole patio fills up with smoke :)

Hope this makes sense and helps...
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Ahh that makes sense - we've thus altered our plan to 4' and changed the deep end to 8' (from 6') so thanks for that :cool:

Here's the list of equipment I was able to dig up:

Gallons: 21,900 (this may be before we altered the deep end not sure)
Pool – 1HP Jandy Stealth Pump
Filter – 460 SQ FT Jandy Cartridge Filter
Lights – (3) JANDY SOL LED lights in pool and (1) in spa
Automation – Jandy iAqualink
Heater: 400,000BTU Jandy JXI heater
Spa: Jandy 1.5HP stealth booster pump
Water Feature pump for waterfall slide: 2HP stealth pump
Water feature pump for gushers and weeping wall: 1.5HP stealth pump
Sanitation: Pentair BioShield UV System

"Dedicated suction for a cleaner and healthier pool"

A lot of companies will pull water into the filter from the skimmer which is on top of the pool, then filter it, then put it back into the pool through the return lines which are also on the top of the pool so in essence you’re only filtering the top 20” or so of water. With dedicated suction, we pull water in through the drains on the bottom, filter it, then put back into the pool through the return lines on top so every ounce of water is filtered.



-Weeping wall & Gushers

How are they going to make it weep? There are pipes in rock that make it trickle water

Gushers = bubblers
yes

-benches-depth?
Typically they are 21” deep

-Texas star

Will this be tiled on site or will they have a medalion? Usually a medallion that is pre-made

SWG?

We need to inquiry about salt water system – I would highly recommend not doing it with all of the porous stone around the pool. The BioShield UV system will provide all of the same good qualities of salt with none of the bad.


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That were the answers we got back from the PB - hope this helps anyone that was interested.

Thanks again!
 
A lot of companies will pull water into the filter from the skimmer which is on top of the pool, then filter it, then put it back into the pool through the return lines which are also on the top of the pool so in essence you’re only filtering the top 20” or so of water. With dedicated suction, we pull water in through the drains on the bottom, filter it, then put back into the pool through the return lines on top so every ounce of water is filtered.
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That is some high powered spin. Also false.

We need to inquiry about salt water system – I would highly recommend not doing it with all of the porous stone around the pool. The BioShield UV system will provide all of the same good qualities of salt with none of the bad.
Click to expand...

Again - really false.
 
Hold on there g...give it some thought. Going from 3.5’ to 4’ great start. Going from 6’ to 8’ creates a 4’ sloped drop! Ask yourself who will use the pool, how will we use the pool? Will you have regular guests? Folks like swimming but folks like touching the bottom. Flip side of that is you can just float around all you want.

Lots of decisions but that’s what makes it fun :)
 
That’s what they gave you but what do you want? Did they nail it or leave you missing something though you may not be sure what?
 

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Does this pool meet your needs for size/design/features/look? There are two approaches to getting bids. One is to give each PB the same list of requirements and design in as much detail as possible. That way the quotes come back with some level of consistency (they still will be different but it limits the variance). The other is to say, this is kind of what we are thinking, give me a design and quote. They tend to come in quite different from one another. This is tougher to compare one to another but also lets then do their design magic a little more freely without constraint.

So I was basically going down the road of, did they listen to you, do you like their plan? Does it meet your needs/desires? Aside from the mechanicals which you likely aren't an expert at (few who build pools are). You've got good guidance on the mechanicals above.
 
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