Is my pool mechanical pad done correctly?

[Fathead657]

So I am still having problems with my pool the more I look into existing problems with my pool. I will attach some pictures of my pool pad.

I know the uv and frog system should be removed but not touching anything until legal issues are wrapped up

1. while looking at my instructions for my jandy pool heater i noticed I do not have a check valve between the frog and the heater. Im being told there is a hartford loop but unless they are using the uv filter as one, I do not see it.

2. My heater does not have a pressure relief valve on it

3. Is this all grounded correctly? the heater pump and uv all go to a wire terminal ground bar that is screwed to the concrete. this terminal bar then has a wire that goes into the ground and I assume that this is my bonding wire. But is this actually grounded correctly? I know they had to re-drill the holes for my hand rail which I assume broken the bonding loop and my power cover motor has no copper wire to the grounding lug inside the box

4. should their be a check value on the inlet side to my pump as the pad is higher than the pool.

5. is my pool heater too close to the other equipment?

 

[ajw22]

1. while looking at my instructions for my jandy pool heater i noticed I do not have a check valve between the frog and the heater. Im being told there is a hartford loop but unless they are using the uv filter as one, I do not see it.

A check valve on the heater output can't hurt and may help.

You should install a heater bypass with a diverter valve and a check valve. Then the check valve comes for free with the bypass.

Heater Bypass - Further Reading

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What does the JXI Heater Installation manual say about the need for a check valve?

2. My heater does not have a pressure relief valve on it

A PRV is not a requirement for all gas heaters. Some jurisdictions require it and others don't.

3. Is this all grounded correctly? the heater pump and uv all go to a wire terminal ground bar that is screwed to the concrete. this terminal bar then has a wire that goes into the ground and I assume that this is my bonding wire. But is this actually grounded correctly? I know they had to re-drill the holes for my hand rail which I assume broken the bonding loop and my power cover motor has no copper wire to the grounding lug inside the box

You are mixing grounding and bonding which are two different things.

Bonding vs Grounding

Electricity and water don't mix. Learn a few basic tips how to keep your family safe when dealing with electricity around your pool.

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I cannot see what yo are describing in your pictures.

Electrical Bonding - Further Reading

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4. should their be a check value on the inlet side to my pump as the pad is higher than the pool.

Not necessary if you have a good tight suction system.

5. is my pool heater too close to the other equipment?

I don't like the heater exhaust pointing at equipment.

The equipment layout could have been done better.

 

[Fathead657]

1. the instructions say there should be an anticorrosive check valve between the heater and the frog system my builder said he did a hartford loop instead but i dont see one installed

2 will add the instructions for heater where it says that it is not included but it is recommended

quoted from jandy website:
5.7 Pressure Relief Valve Installation A pressure relief valve (PRV) is recommended in all installations, and is mandatory in any installation in which the water flow can be restricted between the heater outlet and the pool/spa. A pressure relief valve is not supplied with the JXi heater. However, it is recommended that a pressure relief valve be installed and may even be required by local codes. Be sure to check any applicable installation codes in your area to determine whether a pressure relief valve is required.The maximum working pressure of this heater is 50 psi. Be sure to take into consideration the maximum allowable pressure of the other components in the system when selecting a PRV. Any pressure relief valve installed must comply with provisions of the standard described in ANSI® Z21.22 for the United Sates or CSA 4.4 in Canada

3 will add a different angle where the what im assuming is bonding wire. should bonding go to a grounding rod? my loop around my pool has been severed from the and rail being replaced. I feel a little dumber trying to understand when grounding is need and where in a pool system

4. when my pump turns off all the water runs out of the pump back into my pool and makes starting the pump a pain sometimes and i have to play with the valve after filling the pump with a bucket.

 

[ajw22]

3 will add a different angle where the what im assuming is bonding wire. should bonding go to a grounding rod?

No, bonding wire should never be connected to a ground rod.

my loop around my pool has been severed from the and rail being replaced.

Bonding should have a continuous #8 solid copper wire that bonds all required devices together with the pool water and pool perimeter...

I feel a little dumber trying to understand when grounding is need and where in a pool system

You continue to confuse bonding and grounding which are two separate things.

4. when my pump turns off all the water runs out of the pump back into my pool and makes starting the pump a pain sometimes and i have to play with the valve after filling the pump with a bucket.

Close the valve before the pump and the three valves on the return side after you turn off the pump and before you service any equipment.

Open the valves after you are done servicing any equipment.

That will also keep your ball valves from sticking. When your ball valves do get hard to turn or the handles break replace them with diverter valves.

 

[Fathead657]

No, bonding wire should never be connected to a ground rod.




Bonding should have a continuous #8 solid copper wire that bonds all required devices together with the pool water and pool perimeter...

You continue to confuse bonding and grounding which are two separate things.



Close the valve before the pump and the three valves on the return side after you turn off the pump and before you service any equipment.

Open the valves after you are done servicing any equipment.

That will also keep your ball valves from sticking. When your ball valves do get hard to turn or the handles break replace them with diverter valves.

thank you for the replys

where should should a bonding wire start and end?

How do I know for sure if my pump heater uv filter and autocover motor have been grounded properly>

 

[ajw22]

where should should a bonding wire start and end?

Does not matter as long as everything is electrically connected together. The electrons don't care.

How do I know for sure if my pump heater uv filter and autocover motor have been grounded properly>

Check using a multimeter on ohms setting between the device and the bonding wire.

 

[Fathead657]

Does not matter as long as everything is electrically connected together. The electrons don't care.



Check using a multimeter on ohms setting between the device and the bonding wire.

I will check this on my day off. I have concerns that nothing is grounded but it may be through the main control panel box that has breakers in it but I dont see a grounding rod anywhere around my equipment pad

 

[ajw22]

I have concerns that nothing is grounded but it may be through the main control panel box that has breakers in it but I dont see a grounding rod anywhere around my equipment pad

Are you checking grounding or bonding?

POOL EQUIPMENT DOES NOT GET CONNECTED TO A GROUNDING ROD IN THE USA.

 

[Fathead657]

Are you checking grounding or bonding?

POOL EQUIPMENT DOES NOT GET CONNECTED TO A GROUNDING ROD IN THE USA.

I dont trust that anything was installed correctly. their was constantly new people at my house throughout the process. Im pretty sure the hand rail is no longer bonded since they bore drilled the original inserts out and concreted new ones in. Along with that i have now wire going to the lug beside my cover motor in the box.

 

[ajw22]

Pool electrical code requirements are described in the National Electric Code (NEC) section 680. The NFPA provides free access to the NEC and other codes.

680.26 Equipotential Bonding (swimming pools and similar) is a good video describing Equipotential Bonding and the 2023 NEC changes.

Taking the Mystery Out of Equipotential Bonding Requirements for Swimming Pools is a good primer to understand equipotential bonding in pools.

A good reference is from Mike Holt Enterprises on Article 680—Swimming Pools, Spas, Hot Tubs, Fountains, and Similar Installations.

Also How to Verify That a Pool is Safe from Electric Shock – In Accordance with the National Electrical Code from Mike Holt.

Pool Bonding 101. Pool Electrical is a good educational video about pool bonding.

680.26 Equipotential Bonding (swimming pools and similar) discussed a recent Technical Interim Amendment to 2023 NEC 680.26 and gives a good overview of Equipotential Bonding.

 

[Fathead657]

good grief how did you find that stuff so fast? ive been looking for hours. maybe because i had bonding and grounding confused hindered my efforts thank you

 

[ajw22]

good grief how did you find that stuff so fast? ive been looking for hours. maybe because i had bonding and grounding confused hindered my efforts thank you

I gave you the link to it in post #2.

Electrical Bonding - Further Reading

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[Fathead657]

I gave you the link to it in post #2.

Electrical Bonding - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com

i know that im still reading that stuff. i meant all the links i need to check out on the previous post

 

[ajw22]

i know that im still reading that stuff. i meant all the links i need to check out on the previous post

Those are all in that Wiki page.

 

[Fathead657]

Those are all in that Wiki page.

i see them now didnt realize there were multiple pages. shame on me. Im halfway through the first video from above and excited to test it but nervous for the results.