Is high chlorine (15+ PPM) a health concern? I have high CYA (160ish) + Drought in California

I don’t feel bad about dumping water. I feel bad about using new good water for a pool in the middle a drought. And worry about how much water my well has and the cost of trucking it in is stupid high right now.
That is a legit worry for sure. My friend's parents live up in Forest Ranch (near Chico) and they've been dealing with a dry well for two years during the dry season. They have been having water brought in to refill the well (why they don't buy a cistern I don't know).
This year is probably going to be a bust as far as collecting enough rain water to make any kind of measurable difference, but maybe you can limp along with what you've got until next season. In the mean time, could you set up some sort of rain catchment system? You're going to want some sort of fresh water supply (without metals) for top offs too, so that would be another good reason to set up the catchment.
Also, you might want to think about keeping a solar cover on your pool to cut down on evaporation and chlorine demand. Eventually the CYA will come down a bit on it's own too. I lose about 30 ppm per year.

On another note...I feel like it would be a great business idea to have a "pool water exchange program" where someone comes in and drains a specific amount of pool water out and replaces it with fresh water. The "used" water then gets filtered or whatever offsite somewhere in which it doesn't get wasted. :unsure:
 
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I don’t feel bad about dumping water. I feel bad about using new good water for a pool in the middle a drought.
That wasn't Matt's point. His point was that neither is a waste. Your dumped pool water may be what gets pumped back to you 10 years from now, in that drought. This water coming now may be from someone else's pool who exchanged it in the great drought of 89. (Made up for the point)

We don't have the drought here but we get put on restrictions just the same because of over development. Not homes but large companies. So 3 new big box stores can be built and on top of their normal draw, have their sprinklers going in the rain, but I can only use mine on odd days.

They would approve 10 Starbucks/Dunkin donuts tomorrow on your same feed that would use your 25k gallons every 2 weeks. But you can't exchange your pool.

I get your civic duty. I do. And Bravo because it's noble. But you are but a drop in the bucket.
 
On another note...I feel like it would be a great business idea to have a "pool water exchange program" where someone comes in and drains a specific amount of pool water out and replaces it with fresh water. The "used" water then gets filtered or whatever offsite somewhere in which it doesn't get wasted. :unsure:

It would be a great business but people would not be willing to pay the cost necessary to keep it profitable.

Water in the US is mispriced. Prices are government controlled and not free market. Water allocations, rationing, and pricing are set by people with their own agendas. Saying anymore would get into politics.

Compare the cost of gasoline per gallon with its complex supply chain to get it from the ground to a pump near you with the cost and availability of water. Gas is reasonably free market priced, water is not.
 
It would be a great business but people would not be willing to pay the cost necessary to keep it profitable.

Water in the US is mispriced. Prices are government controlled and not free market. Water allocations, rationing, and pricing are set by people with their own agendas. Saying anymore would get into politics.

Compare the cost of gasoline per gallon with its complex supply chain to get it from the ground to a pump near you with the cost and availability of water. Gas is reasonably free market priced, water is not.
Yes, I agree it would be cost prohibitive.
The problem in our area of the US is not the idea of drought, but the reality of it. We are literally running out of water. On the other hand I stopped feeling guilty about the miniscule amount of water we use in our household when I witness businesses and even city parks wasting water.
But since the OP is on a well, in one of the most drought stricken parts of the US, I totally understand not wanting to take that chance of running it dry. We are getting a little bit of precipitation today (hardly enough to call it actual rain), but not enough to make any kind of difference at all. Before this week we went 65 full days without rain. One of the driest winters in history. It sucks. :cry:
 
Yeah the cost is outta control. When I did RO I was told that business wasn’t great because drain/fill is less costly. I get it. I didn’t really want to spend as much as I did. Hopefully we get more rain, but given the past few years, I’m doubtful. I do agree if you end up doing a drain/fill now will probably better than later.
 
Pools need periodic refreshing of the water. While TFP doesn’t recommend measuring or tracking TDS, the TDS does increase over time and, even if you exclude salt content, the TDS can get well over 5000ppm. The water will build up phosphates, nitrates, sulfates, silicates and other compounds. Suspended solids will increase as well. High TDS/TSS water is just not comfortable to bath in. So a pool is not a STATIC bucket of water but a dynamic system. It just has to be refreshed every so often and sadly it happens at inconvenient times.

(rant-on)

As for living in a drought … Tucson and the entire Sonoran valley has been in drought conditions (less than 10” of rainfall per year … there’s a reason why it’s called a desert …) for well over a decade. I pay exorbitant amounts of money for water and have utilized every single water saving technique possible. I even recently spent $4000 to have a plumber come and dig up the main line from the meter to my home to repair a leak (caused by the previous owners negligence) that amounted to less than 1CCF extra water per month (the “leak” was literally a droplet of water every 2-3 secs … just enough to make the blue low flow indicator on the meter to turn). Even with everything we do ( and I have zeroed out my irrigation for the past two years), the best I can do is get our water usage down to 2-3 CCF per person per month. And when my water bill exceeds the the 15CCF tier and I start paying $12/CCF or more, yeah, that monthly bill hurts. But even then I would still drain and refill my pool without any sort of regret or shame. As @ajw22 said, these “droughts” and water restrictions are man-made and politicized. There is plenty of water out there, it just gets diverted and used for the wrong purposes. I get told to leave several deposits of urine in my toilets to “save the environment” and flush less but the golf course across the street can run their sprinklers 24/7/365 so their fairways can look pretty and be on “agricultural exemptions” so they just pay a fixed monthly fee … psshh, yeah, like that’s fair. Or we get threatened by the City with annual rate increases and extra fees because “we live outside the city limits and use more water than the city residents do..” Ummm, yeah genius politician, we do live outside the city BY CHOICE and we pay exactly the same rate for the same amounts of water that your city residents do. I wouldn’t use any less per person if I lived in the county or a high rise apartment building in downtown. So all their talk about “disasters” and “droughts” and “being environmentally conscious” is nothing more than attempt to squeeze more dollars out of people that live outside their taxing jurisdiction. The money they claim will help the environment never gets used for the purposes they state and just becomes another slush fund for them to play with. So when the so-called “experts” attempt to make silly arguments and throw shame around, I give them the same cock-eyed look I give my kids when they say stupid things and then I turn off my hearing aid so I don’t have to listen to their nonsense …

(/rant off)

Anyway, having a well is a blessing and curse. They generally cost very little to operate and the water is free but when they go dry or are contaminated in some way, they are costly to deal with. All you can do in your situation is reduce water loss as much as possible and try to find ways to capture water from rain to help out. And you absolutely need to stay away from solid chlorine sources (cal hypo or stabilized chlorine) as they will make your pool water situation worse. Either use liquid chlorine exclusively or invest in an SWG.

Are you allowed to drill deeper? Old wells run dry and sometimes you have to go further down. Around here the politics of well drilling is as bad as anything else since they try their best to make it impossible to drill.
 
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but the golf course across the street can run their sprinklers 24/7/365 so their fairways can look pretty
You say 'sprinklers'. I say fire hose cannons. And only 400 of them per course.

Or that new Mega Lo-mart is so big it needs 4 sets of bathrooms and a few acres of sprinklers. The other Mega Lo-Mart was a 20 min drive so this one was necessary.

But yeah. Don't you flush.
 
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I don't know how it will be this year but there were times last summer I did not see liquid chlorine at the hardware stores. I have a swg but this winter I put it down to 5-10% from 30% and have had to barely add any liquid chlorine and I like to keep my FC near 10. Also what about a swg instead? I would definitely get the biggest SWG I could and while it was under warranty keep it running at 100% 24 hours a day. You'd still need LC but a lot less.

Edit: We replaced the sod we put in the backyard post pool with pebbles for the dogs. So far, they use it just fine and there is no stink--I do run the sprinklers every so often to clean the rocks and may need to more often when it's hot--but it's way less water than I did when the area was grass. We didn't do it to conserve water but to minimize mud. When the pool was being constructed I realized the dogs would just do their business in rocks. I know I will have to replace the rocks every so often (the guy at the rock store advised me to get the cheapest rock they sell for this but I picked something prettier). All plants in the back are on a drip line already. I put stepping stones in the rocks so I could walk and pick up their business easily.
 
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@Cena_sea on paper I absolutely LOVE that idea. Use the SWG to add (half?) Of the chlorine and ease the burden.

But in reality, the big SWGs are going for $1800 right now, plus install. With a long CA season, that's almost half of the life the SWG to not even save the need for bleach.
 
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@boardergeek If you can replace some of your water and go to a Salt Water Chlorine Generator it would work perfect.. Even if you can not replace any water you could run the SWG FC at 10 and call it a day...

I would recommend a 60k cell so you can run the FC high for a year or 2 while your CYA drops to 80 or 90 and just keep it there... I run my pool at CYA of 80 and FC at 7 at all times.. :)

Buy the 45 and get the 60 for 10 dollars more, great deal ..

 
@boardergeek If you can replace some of your water and go to a Salt Water Chlorine Generator it would work perfect.. Even if you can not replace any water you could run the SWG FC at 10 and call it a day...

I would recommend a 60k cell so you can run the FC high for a year or 2 while your CYA drops to 80 or 90 and just keep it there... I run my pool at CYA of 80 and FC at 7 at all times.. :)

Buy the 45 and get the 60 for 10 dollars more, great deal ..

You convinced me.

I ordered the RJ60 and I found another water delivery service that can bring 13,000 gallons (50% of my volume) for about $1300. So, I will do a partial refill. Stabilize the pools chems and then convert salt. Now I'm off to learn what I don't know about salt pools.
 
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