Help pick between 2 builders and options

asinanan

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Jun 4, 2021
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We have narrowed down to 32x16 rectangle pool, 50x34 paver deck, tiered sheer waterfall, sunshelf w/ bubbler, 4 lights in pool + 1 spa w/bubbler, chlorine system, propane heater and cage. The pool finish will be quartz v.s. pebble (wife's preference).

One builder is quoting 12 months (due to supply shortages) and 85k. The community is new and the builder uses these folks so fairly reputable. They use Jandy equipment and flagstone brand pavers.
The other builder is quoting 82k, says it could take 6 or 12 months since it all depends. Much smaller contractor and uses haywood gear.

Is 3k too little to risk going with a smaller company?
Is a bubbler in the spa a bad idea? Was told it is connected to pool pump and even if shut off some cold water can come in.
Both builders aren't including any automation. Easy to add later?
Any tips for what to make sure is in a contract?
Is a 7x16 sundeck something you use alot if you have one? My wife is for it, and I'm worried it's taking up too much space. What's recommended size for just two loungers?
Kids (twins) are 4... depth 3 to 6 feel right? Should I be thinking 3.5 to 6 instead?

I'll stop. Would love to hear your thoughts or questions. Awesome community here I can tell from just lurking!
 
3 feet is very shallow and keep in mind that the PB's don't always get the depth exact so you could wind up with even less. I would go at least 3.5 feet. Ask what their payment terms are...try to not make final payment before they are done and certainly don't pay all up front! :) You could tell the bigger builder that you have a better quote and ask if they can come down a couple K. How long has the smaller company been in business?
 
This is great feedback thank you. We will switch to 3.5 ft. The larger builder actually came down from a much higher number and won't budge anymore based on the smaller builder's quote. BBB says 9 years in business, but the owner who's talking to me says he's building pools for 35+ years. The larger builder said the smaller guy prob went out of business and then opened again under a new name. Scare tactics maybe :(.

Separate question is salt system less work than chlorine? Both builders are pushing chlorine system.
 
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If you have a Pool and Spa combo, then you really should get automation. To manually switch between the pool mode and spa mode you have to go out to the equipment pad, switch the position of two valves, turn on the heater and go back inside and wait for two hour for the spa to warm up.. With automation, you push one button on your phone and it tells you when the water is hot enough.

Yes, it can sometimes be added "later" but the time to do it is when the pool is built. It is much harder to do it later and unless the upgrade is planned for in advance, you might have to dig up 50 feet of new deck just to get the infrastructure in place.

Cost wise, I'd give up every water feature just to get automation.. Water features are just there to impress your neighbors, while automation makes your life easier.

I'd also find a builder that uses Pentair equipment.. :mrgreen: And, I would not have a pool, if it were not a saltwater pool.. :shark:


Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Thanks for the advice.

Any recommendations on sun shelf. I am heading 7 ft is needed for loungers. The specs I saw appeared to show 70 inches so wondering if 6 ft would be OK with some of the back closer/over deck to leave room in front.
 

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Just went through this process and I went with a 6x9’ sun shelf. I was told 6’ is needed for loungers. I honestly don’t know how much it will be used for that compared to little ones splashing around in it. I have a 3yo and a 7mo right now. I am an avid DIY’er and considered doing the salt and automation myself, but decided to have the PB do it. I’m glad I did. My neighbor, who built with the same PB has six valves and he has a pool with a spa and no water features. The valves need actuators and then there is the control panel. Plus, if the PB installs it, they have to warranty it. Everyone I know who didn’t get automation wants it now.
I considered a 3.5’ depth but decided on 3’ for the kids. I was at my friends pool the other day, with 3’ shallow end) and it was great for the kids. It also only took about 15mins for his natural gas spa to heat up. I had a pool for 10yrs prior to this and 3’ was fine. Really, most people lounge in the pool rather than swimming in it. As for the PB, I had quotes from some PB that were newer in the business. They were higher so I didn’t give them much consideration but if the price is that close and all else is equal, I would go with the one who has been around longer. I previously had a chlorine pool and had no problems maintaining it, but went salt this time. Seems easier, especially with the automation. Do your own research on the equipment manufacturers, but from the stuff I’ve read on here, Pentair is preferred, but Jandy and Hayward are also good. The downside to Jandy is they don’t sell to the public so you can’t buy repair parts. That was a big downside to me, but the PB that used Pentair around me charged so much more for their pools that I went with a PB that uses Jandy. Functionally I don’t think there is any real difference.
 
Hey SchubeyDew, your thread has been soooo helpful! I got quotes from 5 builders. I'm in Longwood. The build time I am getting quoted is 11-12 months. I reached out to your PB yesterday cuz of reading your journey. My builder says 4200 for SWG and automation. Old school guy isn't giving specifics on model pump etc saying he depends on engineering to size. He just says he uses Hayward. No design studio either but I've been to a few others to get a sense of what most are using in Orlando. Pyramid for travertine, tile supply for tiles, tremron/flagstone and a few other local options for pavers. Wish I had checked out this forum sooner!
 
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Hey SchubeyDew, your thread has been soooo helpful! I got quotes from 5 builders. I'm in Longwood. The build time I am getting quoted is 11-12 months. I reached out to your PB yesterday cuz of reading your journey. My builder says 4200 for SWG and automation. Old school guy isn't giving specifics on model pump etc saying he depends on engineering to size. He just says he uses Hayward. No design studio either but I've been to a few others to get a sense of what most are using in Orlando. Pyramid for travertine, tile supply for tiles, tremron/flagstone and a few other local options for pavers. Wish I had checked out this forum sooner!
Glad to hear it was helpful. This forum has been amazing. So much knowledge on here and every is nice. It also gives you plenty to overthink about 😂. I almost went chlorine but when I asked my PB and they said $1550 to add salt, it was a no brainer. $4200 sounds a bit high, but the different PB seem to make their money in different places. As for part numbers of pumps, etc, the PB did not give me that info, but I knew several people who had used them without issue, so decided to let it be. Build times do seem to have gone up since I since I signed at the end of February. It seems like every day I hear another story about how long it will be before someone’s build is going to start. My neighbor signed a few days before me with a different builder and he still has 40-something people in front of him. He had 90 to start. I forgot to mention, one advantage of the 3.5’ deep end is less of a transition from shallow to deep end. Trenton and Pyramid seem to be common choices in this area. My PB uses Tremron but can’t remember tile. They have a good selection of samples at their location in Sanford.
 
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