Help! Overwhelmed! Recommended equipment??

[Paul NJ908]

Hey everyone.. Finally finishing up back yard renovation and need advice on new equipment.

16x32 rectangular pool approx 23,000 gallons
with 16ft full width steel stairs under liner
2 returns
1 skimmer
1 bottom drain
new 1-1/2" pool plumbing to equipment pad
3 Pentair Globerite Color LED's spaced out on side wall
Have both 110v and 220v lines installed at 3'x7' concrete pad along with 1-1/4" natural gas line for heater.

Currently have: Hayward Pro Grid 4820 DE Filter W/ new cartridge

Can you guys make recommendation on equipment?
Pump (having a hard time making calculations for h/p and flow rate necessary
Heater (Natural Gas)
Salt Water Generator
Filter Valve & Pump Valve (Equipment pad sits outside of retaining wall and below pool deck level)
Control box with internet control access that would allow for simultaneous control of Globerite LED's from iPhone?
Robot pool cleaner

 

[mknauss]

Be sure you want to use Globrite lights. They have a proprietary attachment and thus you will be tied to them. And they fail every 2-3 years. At $300 a piece, you get the idea. I would suggest using Microbrite (Pentair) or other nicheless that uses a generic 1.5" attachment.

For automation control, an Intellicenter will work. Get the 5 relay version with IC40 SWCG. Unless you plan to have each light individually controlled, then you would need more relays. Get an Intelliflo VS pump . Raypak 400K Heater. You can use your existing filter.
Robot, Maytronics S200/Active 20/ Pentair SE. All the same. Marina Pool Spa in Denver, CO.

 

[jimmythegreek]

Perfect info posted. Use good valves either pentair or jandy, amd get the nickel cupro version of the raypak only a few bucks more. You will need a check valve if below pool level amd 2way in front of pump as well

 

[Dirk]

Pump (having a hard time making calculations for h/p and flow rate necessary

The IntelliFlo that Marty recommends is one of the best in the industry. Another of our experts, Jim, who swears by this pump, explains that while it is technically a variable speed pump, it's really a variable horsepower pump. So no calc's needed. That pump can deliver whatever flow you need, and save you money doing it. And with Pentair automation (which pretty much only works with the IntelliFlo for best performance) you can setup different speeds (flows) for different uses: one for general filtering, another for heating, another for the SWG, etc. You can't go wrong with what Marty laid out for you...

 

[Paul NJ908]

Be sure you want to use Globrite lights. They have a proprietary attachment and thus you will be tied to them. And they fail every 2-3 years. At $300 a piece, you get the idea. I would suggest using Microbrite (Pentair) or other nicheless that uses a generic 1.5" attachment.

For automation control, an Intellicenter will work. Get the 5 relay version with IC40 SWCG. Unless you plan to have each light individually controlled, then you would need more relays. Get an Intelliflo VS pump . Raypak 400K Heater. You can use your existing filter.
Robot, Maytronics S200/Active 20/ Pentair SE. All the same. Marina Pool Spa in Denver, CO.

Thank you so much for the info.. After reviewing the info I received from you guys, I have come up with he following..

3 - Jandy nicheless P series (For Pentair Color) LED JLU4C24W100P (After reviewing their guide, I feel that 3 x 24watts along the 32ft side of the pool would be sufficient)
1 - Pentair Intelliflo VS Pump
1 - Pentair IntelliChlor IC40 SWCG
1 - Pentair IntelliCenter i8PSIC40 Kit (includes Intellichlor IC40 SWCG & 2 intellivalve actuators)
1- Pentair Warrior SE

Only question is regarding the heater? 400K BTU not overkill? I did an online calculator which listed 150K as minimum and 250K as ideal.

 

[mknauss]

Up to you on a heater. The 250K will work. The 400K will work quicker. Depends on your gas line size and if you need to upgrade that and what that will cost. If you have to replace or install a gas line anyway, may as well go with the 400K. If you can use an existing gas line with the 250K, go with that.

 

[Dirk]

This may or may not be in the cards for you, but just so you know: if you buy at least three certain Pentair products together, and have them installed professionally (not DIY), then Pentair ups the warranty to three years on not only the "special three," but everything else you buy on the same invoice too (with a few exceptions). Pentair's warranty caveats are a bit convoluted, but you should understand them before you move forward with a large Pentair purchase, in case you can make a better deal for yourself:

Pool Product Warranty Information

Pentair delivers smart, sustainable solutions that empower our customers to make the most of life's essential resource. At Pentair, we believe the health of our world depends on reliable access to clean water.

www.pentair.com

And to confuse the issue, even though I didn't buy one of the three qualifying components, I bought so much at the same time that my contractor negotiated with Pentair to waive the "exact" qualifying rules and they gave me three years on everything anyway. So there's that. You might have a conversation, somehow, with your installer and Pentair to see if they can finagle something similar. Throw in the words "Jandy" or "Hayward" to shake their tree a bit.

Now if your intention is to DIY everything, then Pentair's warranty drops to 60 days on a most of its offerings...

 

[ajw22]

Thank you so much for the info.. After reviewing the info I received from you guys, I have come up with he following..

3 - Jandy nicheless P series (For Pentair Color) LED JLU4C24W100P (After reviewing their guide, I feel that 3 x 24watts along the 32ft side of the pool would be sufficient)
1 - Pentair Intelliflo VS Pump
1 - Pentair IntelliChlor IC40 SWCG
1 - Pentair IntelliCenter i8PSIC40 Kit (includes Intellichlor IC40 SWCG & 2 intellivalve actuators)
1- Pentair Warrior SE

Only question is regarding the heater? 400K BTU not overkill? I did an online calculator which listed 150K as minimum and 250K as ideal.

Why the Jandy nicheless P series? I would not use Jandy lights if you are not using all other Jandy equipment. If you don't want to use Pentair Microbrite lights then look at CMP Brilliant Wonder nicheless lights...

Brilliant Wonders® 1.5" LED Light - CMP

Premier LED lighting engineered for performance The Brilliant Wonders® 1.5˝ LED Light with Smart Sync® Technology is an easy to install light that lets you customize the look and design to perfectly complement any pool theme. Featuring an industry first waterproof quick disconnect that will make...

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There is no substitute for BTUs. If you have the gas service to support the 400K heater then the incremental cost is small for the faster heating time benefit.

 

[Dirk]

After reviewing their guide, I feel that 3 x 24watts along the 32ft side of the pool would be sufficient

Ideally you want all lights pointing away from the windows of your house from where you'll view the pool, and away from the seating area you're most likely to use at night. You don't want to be staring into the glare of the lights if you can avoid it...

I would suggest each light be wired independently back to the switch ("home-run" each light circuit). That leaves you the options, now or in the future, to wire all three lights together on the same switch (or automation relay), or to wire each light on its own switch or relay. I would want the independent control: all three on, nice and bright when there are kids in the pool, but maybe just one or two for a more subdued, ambient lighting affect. Running the wires now is relatively cheap and easy, and leaves all your options available. Later might be difficult or impossible.

 

[Paul NJ908]

Why the Jandy nicheless P series? I would not use Jandy lights if you are not using all other Jandy equipment. If you don't want to use Pentair Microbrite lights then look at CMP Brilliant Wonder nicheless lights...

Brilliant Wonders® 1.5" LED Light - CMP

Premier LED lighting engineered for performance The Brilliant Wonders® 1.5˝ LED Light with Smart Sync® Technology is an easy to install light that lets you customize the look and design to perfectly complement any pool theme. Featuring an industry first waterproof quick disconnect that will make...

www.c-m-p.com

There is no substitute for BTUs. If you have the gas service to support the 400K heater then the incremental cost is small for the faster heating time benefit.

Because Jandy offers a 24 Watt light as opposed to Microbrite's 12w max

 

[jimmythegreek]

You want the biggest heater you can get the cost is little to go larger amd heating faster is better. With 23k gallons 250k you womt get a degree an hour rise but with 400k you will and maybe more.
The p series can be controlled by pentair automation that's the reason I assume. 24watts isn't a comparison to 12v but 3 24watt lights will be plenty bright for that size pool. Any water features planned? The new XF intelliflo is the same money and their latest amd greatest I'd lean that way