Help me find a new VS pump

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zimdogg

zimdogg

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I'm fairly certain my pump died over the weekend. Haven't checked the capacitor or anything on it but it hums when I give it power and won't fire up. A youtube video I saw showed the same sound calling it a seized pump. So for the sake of getting my pool back up in running ASAP I think I'm going to just get a new motor.

Seems I have this: sp2610z1mtg

Can I use this? Hayward Super Pump VS Motor Upgrade Kit - 1.65HP - MKIT3VS16 - INYOPools.com

How would this work with my Automation? I have Omni PL automation. Could I control RPM within that system or only on/off?

Thanks for any help... need to order today so I can get the pump installed before I get a green pool.
 

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zimdogg said:
I went ahead an ordered the Century V-Green motor so it could ship today.
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To work with your automation directly and have control over speeds, etc., you need a Century EVC165, not ECM16CU. It has to have Century Connect built in to work directly with automation.
If you don't care, or need, direct RPM control, the ECM will work. You set program speeds and times in the motor and the program starts when a relay sends power to the motor.
That kit you mentioned is the correct one as it has the EVC motor in it.
 
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1poolman1 said:
To work with your automation directly and have control over speeds, etc., you need a Century EVC165, not ECM16CU. It has to have Century Connect built in to work directly with automation.
If you don't care, or need, direct RPM control, the ECM will work. You set program speeds and times in the motor and the program starts when a relay sends power to the motor.
That kit you mentioned is the correct one as it has the EVC motor in it.
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This should be fine for my needs. Thanks!
 
Working on installing the new pump, and been following a good youtube video but there's no mention of any lubrication anywhere. Are there any gaskets/seals I should be lubricating during the swap?

I've replaced all the seals/gaskets so far, as I ordered a kit with new ones to be sure I had fresh everything. It came with lube though, and I'm not sure where to use it. The video I was following has used none so far.
 
zimdogg said:
Working on installing the new pump, and been following a good youtube video but there's no mention of any lubrication anywhere. Are there any gaskets/seals I should be lubricating during the swap?

I've replaced all the seals/gaskets so far, as I ordered a kit with new ones to be sure I had fresh everything. It came with lube though, and I'm not sure where to use it. The video I was following has used none so far.
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Pumps come pre-lubed. Are you talking about a motor install. Lube the O rings and pump-lid gasket.
 
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1poolman1 said:
To work with your automation directly and have control over speeds, etc., you need a Century EVC165, not ECM16CU. It has to have Century Connect built in to work directly with automation.
If you don't care, or need, direct RPM control, the ECM will work. You set program speeds and times in the motor and the program starts when a relay sends power to the motor.
That kit you mentioned is the correct one as it has the EVC motor in it.
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Let me make sure I understand this correctly, since I did see the digital connections on the new motor for the RS-485 protocol.

With my Omni PL automation, if I connected the rs-485 cables to the motor, I could control with a clock (using the automations clock) when each steps starts/stops, but each step's RPM settings would be configured on the motor's control panel. Am I understanding that correctly?

Right now the way my system is set up is basically the same as when I was using a single speed pump. I have a high voltage relay turning the pump on at a scheduled time. So the way this is set up, I'd need to configure each step on the new motor, and my automation can only control when my 24 hour cycle begins by supplying the motor power. Correct?

And then if i wanted to control the specific times that each step would run, I could do that within the omni PL configuration but I'd just need to set the RPM for each step manually on the motor.

I think I'm understanding correctly if all above is accurate.
 

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If I'm correct the vsp motor isn't ever supposed to be without power and it needs to be connected to the line side of the relay instead of the load side. The rs485 will tell the pump when to run. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
 
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The ECM motor cannot be controlled via RS485. You can turn it on and off via a relay. That is it. You must set up the schedule the pump will run when it is turned on directly on the pump.
 
mknauss said:
The ECM motor cannot be controlled via RS485. You can turn it on and off via a relay. That is it. You must set up the schedule the pump will run when it is turned on directly on the pump.
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Not that I don't believe you but the instruction manual says otherwise. Could there have been an updated version since it was this way?

As for my motor that seems to be dead, I have 250v on the line and load side of the breaker/relay and also 250v to the lugs of the motor itself.

So with power all the way to motor and thr motor showing no life, I assume the motor went bad within 2 days?
 
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The ECM motor cannot be controlled via RS485. You can turn it on and off via a relay. That is it. You must set up the schedule the pump will run when it is turned on directly on the pump.
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Here's a photo of the page explaining the digital inputs
 

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zimdogg said:
Also, just to be clear I have no digital inputs connected to the motor. I have it turning on/off via relay just as I had my old single speed pump.
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Then the program on the pump is being used. What schedule do you have set?
 
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Then the program on the pump is being used. What schedule do you have set?
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I set each step to run for 8 hours at the same rpm. The problem is there are no lights on the pumps controls even when it has 250v at the lugs on the pump so I can't start the pump. There's voltage getting to the pump but the pump doesn't seem to be powered at all.

It was working fine earlier today and since Friday afternoon.
 

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