Does my plumbing needs rearrange

Getting ready to move the chlorinator 3 feet away from heater, also adding a cv and heater bypass diverter valve. Question: should i replace all 1 1/2" piping to 2"? Everything circle red is 1 1/2" rest is 2". According to my PB all way from pool piping is 2" except coming up and going to ground is 1 1/2".
 

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I don't think you'll gain any huge benefits by swapping small areas to 2" since you'll probably have some downsizing to accommodate fittings, but someone like @mas985 has a good background on hydraulics and might confirm for you. :)
 
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I recently used a heat gun on PVC and a pliers to remove an adapter from inside another piece. It came out real clean after about 10 mins of heat and working it with the pliers. Note - time will vary depending on how high of setting on heat gun.
I don't know if it's applicable but I've read that if one uses heat to unglue a Sched40 union that it should never be reused for any pressurized application. For what it's worth, the pressures in pool plumbing are likely nil compared with the max pressure rating of Sched40 in "real" pressurized applications.

For my project I went and bought a $65 PVC union reamer. OP might need a different size; I suspect that is not 2" PVC, so it might be cheaper. It paid for itself with a single project because I was able to reuse a check valve and a heater union. It'd pay for itself multiple times over being able to reuse a 3 way valve. It's a bit dirtier work than the heat gun, but it won't bulge out or stretch the plastic. Ready for glue immediately.


They all say put a check valve between the heater and salt cell..
Citation needed? I went line-by-line thru my IC60 installation documents and I don't recall once seeing this. All it says is put it upstream of any tab chlorinator which definitely do need check valves due to creepy acidity. For my own sanity and to have a true bypass heater bypass, I've got one in and one new yet to install, but that's personal preference, not manufacturer guidelines as I understand them. It's possible there's some industry resource that says different, would you be willing to share it? The IC manual has already been posted in this thread, conspicuously absent any check valves.

See pic like that?
Your assumption is correct drawing on the photo like that. You'd only need that bypass pipe at the bottom if your pump's max CFM was too much for the IC to handle, and DEFINITELY don't plumb it with no flow control... you'll never get any CFM across the salt cell at all with just a straight tube. I initially planned my install with a bypass and a ball valve just because it said so in the manual. Turns out I absolutely didn't need it, so it's good I returned all those parts. Here's my install with planning and progress photos:


Having a check valve after and some kind of 3-way bypass in front of the heater is VERY valuable. For example, you might want to winterize the heater but leave the pool running. You might want to have your pool running but do maintenance or even replace the heater without taking the pump offline. If you're sneaky enough with it, you might be able to bypass the heater entirely, but still run water thru the chlorinator. Mine's a little different situation, but I started about the same place as you. Good on you for RTFM. Feel free to reach out via PM if you have other questions. I'm in a totally different boat because my PB did the work for the previous owner and has told me in no uncertain terms "no warranty transfers, period." So I did the install myself because it was cheaper and faster and I'll eat the warranty if need be. But I can see by just the subject of the post... there's been a loss of trust, and you're considering not bothering trying to convince an "expert" who knows less than you to do the right thing.
 
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I don't know if it's applicable but I've read that if one uses heat to unglue a Sched40 union that it should never be reused for any pressurized application. For what it's worth, the pressures in pool plumbing are likely nil compared with the max pressure rating of Sched40 in "real" pressurized applications.

For my project I went and bought a $65 PVC union reamer. OP might need a different size; I suspect that is not 2" PVC, so it might be cheaper. It paid for itself with a single project because I was able to reuse a check valve and a heater union. It'd pay for itself multiple times over being able to reuse a 3 way valve. It's a bit dirtier work than the heat gun, but it won't bulge out or stretch the plastic. Ready for glue immediately.



Citation needed? I went line-by-line thru my IC60 installation documents and I don't recall once seeing this. All it says is put it upstream of any tab chlorinator which definitely do need check valves due to creepy acidity. For my own sanity and to have a true bypass heater bypass, I've got one in and one new yet to install, but that's personal preference, not manufacturer guidelines as I understand them. It's possible there's some industry resource that says different, would you be willing to share it? The IC manual has already been posted in this thread, conspicuously absent any check valves.


Your assumption is correct drawing on the photo like that. You'd only need that bypass pipe at the bottom if your pump's max CFM was too much for the IC to handle, and DEFINITELY don't plumb it with no flow control... you'll never get any CFM across the salt cell at all with just a straight tube. I initially planned my install with a bypass and a ball valve just because it said so in the manual. Turns out I absolutely didn't need it, so it's good I returned all those parts. Here's my install with planning and progress photos:


Having a check valve after and some kind of 3-way bypass in front of the heater is VERY valuable. For example, you might want to winterize the heater but leave the pool running. You might want to have your pool running but do maintenance or even replace the heater without taking the pump offline. If you're sneaky enough with it, you might be able to bypass the heater entirely, but still run water thru the chlorinator. Mine's a little different situation, but I started about the same place as you. Good on you for RTFM. Feel free to reach out via PM if you have other questions. I'm in a totally different boat because my PB did the work for the previous owner and has told me in no uncertain terms "no warranty transfers, period." So I did the install myself because it was cheaper and faster and I'll eat the warranty if need be. But I can see by just the subject of the post... there's been a loss of trust, and you're considering not bothering trying to convince an "expert" who knows less than you to do the right thing.
i have the 1 1/2 pipe saver to use to replumb to the 1 1/2 tee on the return side everything else i bought new.
 
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Citation needed? I went line-by-line thru my IC60 installation documents and I don't recall once seeing this. All it says is put it upstream of any tab chlorinator which definitely do need check valves due to creepy acidity. For my own sanity and to have a true bypass heater bypass, I've got one in and one new yet to install, but that's personal preference, not manufacturer guidelines as I understand them. It's possible there's some industry resource that says different, would you be willing to share it? The IC manual has already been posted in this thread, conspicuously absent any check valves.
Just call them like these people did.

"Yes, we do consider an electronic chlorine generator to be sanitation equipment and we do require that a check valve be installed between the heater and the salt cell just the same as with an erosion feeder. To clarify the warranty impact, we don't void the entire warranty of the heater if this check valve is not installed but if it is determined that the likely cause of failure was due to a concentration of corrosive water from the salt cell then that is a reason to deny a warranty claim as we do require in our manual that a check valve be used to prevent this type of failure. But if a warranted failure occurs that has nothing to do with corrosion or no check valve we would still honor that warranty claim per our standard warranty policy."

Jeff Holmquist
Senior Product Manager - Heating & Core Equipment
Zodiac Pool Systems Inc.
From Do You Need A Check Valve Between A Salt Cell & A Heater?

Raypaks website Raypak – Water Chemistry
"In salt water chlorinated pools, the total TDS can be as high as 6000 ppm.
Occasional chemical shock dosing of the pool or spa water should not damage the heater providing the water is balanced.
Automatic chemical dosing devices and salt chlorinators are usually more efficient in heated water, unless controlled, they can lead to excessive chlorine level which can damage your heater, and which is not covered under warranty. A check valve should be installed between the heater outlet and a chlorinator or other chemical dosing device."




Pentair guys are very hard to get information or service help from their reps so I really never hear much back from them.
But for example that heater pictured here in question. If someone were to try to warranty that install, They would lose. Just look at it.

Your heat may not need a check valve for whatever reason, just ask them.

I have heard from other reps that they had the installers, or reps them selves pull the heat exchange out of the heater and send it to the respective manufacturer. They cut it open, and if they see signs of high or rapid corrosion from corrosive water They will blame the install if they can, or they will blame water chemistry. Look at that picture one more time and tell me which one they would all likey blame for heater exchange corrosion. The salt cell.

I don't even have a dog in this debate. We are talking about a matter of about 50 bucks extra for a check valve. I say slap one on, others say whatever it won't help anything fine, maybe that's right most of the time, not so much though in this install. Look at it.

You can't just "follow science," with some absence of logic. Because all science has real world on the ground oversights, like this oversight. Sometimes you need both.


 
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Thanks! That's really informative. I completely agree with the "It's $50 and a few minutes to cement in a check valve. Protects $4-6000 worth of gear? Okay. Do it now!"
 
Its all done! Thank you all for all the advices. Here pics of b4 and after
 

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