Design/Plan/DIY Build NorCal pool

manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
133
Hayward CA
Manoweb, check with your local permitting authority on allowable liner colors. 2016(latest) California Building Code for swimming pools only allow white liners/pool shell color.
I find this kind of odd but I'll make sure to check it with the city! For sure I know of many private pools that are of very dark colors.
 

manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
133
Hayward CA
Need more returns to ”direct” floating stuff towards the skimmers....this will be helped along by the surface winds. If you keep the pool on the shallow end, you don’t need to heat it...mine is 84 today.
Do you think three returns (two on the "left" side and on the "top" side in the drawing) are not enough? They push to the skimmers "bottom" and "right"
Maybe three on the top side for a total of five returns?
 

kne

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Jun 26, 2015
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Concord, CA
I find this kind of odd but I'll make sure to check it with the city! For sure I know of many private pools that are of very dark colors.
someone else brought this up on another thread. I am 99% sure that it only applies to commercial / public pools.
 

manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
133
Hayward CA
I have ordered the engineering drawings requested by the city for this type of pool. I hope to get it within two weeks. Nice thing is that due to the pandemic, the city accepts only digital submissions, so no need to print out anything or even physically go there. The city building department specialist told me we might discuss it over zoom, what a time to be alive
 

Rossterman

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Jun 5, 2016
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Martinez, CA
As said, put lights on side of pool close to house so they won’t provide glare when looking at the pool from the house. Also might be good to construct a simple windsock (yarn on a stick 3ft in the air) and place it in the center of your pool location so as to confirm prevailing winds. Obstructions can affect and make directional changes
 

manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
133
Hayward CA
Good idea to perform a direct measurement of the winds. I have reasons to believe the data in the graph is likely to be correct but why not check it directly.
The house only has one door facing the pool and I think the area to the right is the most important
 

manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
133
Hayward CA
The city already replied saying it looks good, but now I have to start the formal process. I have prepared my own site plan drawings - those have been already pre-approved by the planning department of the City last year, so I am confident. We will see how much they "evaluate" the project to determine the amount I'll need to pay for the permits.
 
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manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
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Hayward CA
I am not even sure I can continue my old thread as it has been more than 60 days.

Problem is, the City had some requests to be added to the Engineering drawings and I have been trying to get back from the Structural Engineer. This Engineer has never answered any of my voicemails, emails, nothing. It was hired through Poolwarehouse.com so I am not a direct client. I am now ready to "write off" the fees I paid to this Engineer and start from scratch with a new one, as the project has not moved an inch since October. I never even got back an email saying "I can't help you" or anything.

Is there a known Engineering firm that can help me with a comprehensive design package that can work with vinyl liner pools? I wasn't expecting the Engineering firm to be the reason for a 6 months delay in the project.
 

kimkats

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You can and should keep it all here. With you being the OP it is all good as far as that................as for the ghost of engineer gurrrrrrrrrr to him! :mad: I hope this will serve to get more eyes on this to see if anyone knows of any one.
 

ajw22

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Is there a known Engineering firm that can help me with a comprehensive design package that can work with vinyl liner pools? I wasn't expecting the Engineering firm to be the reason for a 6 months delay in the project.
Let's see if @bdavis466 has some ideas. I think he knows your area.
 

setsailsoon

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Since Poolwarehouse.com connected you with the engineer maybe they can help? What kind of changes did the city require?
 

manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
133
Hayward CA
I have involved Poolwarehouse.com and they started writing emails to the Engineer too but it's unclear if that... will make any difference. I assume this time between Christmas and New Year's has a lower chance to elicit a response.
I contacted pooleng.com to see if they could step in but they said they are not doing vinyl liners at this time (despite the home page of their website stating they do).

The requests from the City are listed below: I am not in a position to understand how much more work the Engineer need to put in these, it may be a lot or it might just be some formal action like attaching more documents.


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manoweb

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Apr 14, 2017
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Hayward CA
  • Poolwarehouse.com provided the "type 2 diving pool" drawing but that wasn't included in the Engineer plans (that I can provide to anybody interested by the way) and it sounds like this could be easily fixed.
  • If I need to hire a geotechnical service to sample my soil - I can very well do it, but I believe the results need to go back to the engineer and he has to include that in his document, it cannot just be an independent attachment to the application.
  • as far as the "special instructions and structural observation" well, it seems like the city would like more details - is this going to be too difficult?
 

jimmythegreek

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That is typical requests of a concrete pool build, it doesmt all pertain to your build. A local geo tech engineer can amend the pool plans and add to them. The stamped drawings from poolwarehouse are for the structural frame and basic site conditions. A local guy will know how to deal with the local authority. The kits i use have the same engineer stamp off on all of them they are out of state but hold a PE stamp in 27 states. The PE that does my structural work like our retaining walls is the guy who stamps any additional stuff required that a couple towns ask for. A site plan is basic they want am overlay on your lot survey amd usually want topographical overlay as well as a drawing showing final grade and water management
 
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