Decision Point for Gazebo Door

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I removed a very ugly aluminum door from my nice wood gazebo several years ago. I finally got around to making a new door. I am torn between making a screen and putting a recess into the door for a removable screen frame or just tacking the screen material on with staples and covering the edge with a bit of trim. I bought some nice corner braces for the top and bottom of the door which I cannot use if I go with a removable screen. Also part of the screen frame will be visible if I go that way because my router bit will only make a 3/8" rabbit and the screen frame is 5/8". I already bought everything to make a screen frame but certainly could return it.

What would you do?

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Very nice. The advantage to the insert screen if you may be little ones that will push it in. However, if you are handy enough and it appears you are, then just remove the staples if you need to replace the screen. I like the corner brackets so I would go that way.
 
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I would just staple the screen on. You can replace it when necessary.
 
ajw22 said:
I would just staple the screen on. You can replace it when necessary.
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I am leaning more towards this direction. I have a roll of vinyl screen material but I wonder if I should go and get the aluminum screen? And I do like the corner details I hate to lose them. Probably not worth it they will be easy to replace if damaged. The rest of the gazebo screens are just tacked on with staples and covered with trim.
 
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PoolGate said:
I removed a very ugly aluminum door from my nice wood gazebo several years ago. I finally got around to making a new door. I am torn between making a screen and putting a recess into the door for a removable screen frame or just tacking the screen material on with staples and covering the edge with a bit of trim. I bought some nice corner braces for the top and bottom of the door which I cannot use if I go with a removable screen. Also part of the screen frame will be visible if I go that way because my router bit will only make a 3/8" rabbit and the screen frame is 5/8". I already bought everything to make a screen frame but certainly could return it.

What would you do?
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I would buy a 5/8" bit. Seriously - a nice looking build, Jet tools in the background (for those not in the know, some higher end tools), nice looking dust collection system, and you are basing your decision on the fact that you don't have the bit to make a 5/8" rabbet ? This is not your first encounter with woodworking :)
 
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I would buy a 5/8" bit. Seriously - a nice looking build, Jet tools in the background (for those not in the know, some higher end tools), nice looking dust collection system, and you are basing your decision on the fact that you don't have the bit to make a 5/8" rabbet ? This is not your first encounter with woodworking :)
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Thanks! The rabbet for the screen yeah I could get a wider rabbet bit but the issue using the screen is I can't then install the corner brace. So it is either the removable screen or the corner brace.
 
PoolGate said:
Thanks! The rabbet for the screen yeah I could get a wider rabbet bit but the issue using the screen is I can't then install the corner brace. So it is either the removable screen or the corner brace.
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Is that brace also flush on the back side of the door? It looks like it is, but if it is not you can attach the removable screen to the backside in a shallow rabbet. Is that 1/2" material? How thick is this screen frame material

Here is where my head is going with this. excuse the horrible diagram (I am at work). Grey is your door frame. Green is the bracket. You rabbet out a slot that fits your screen frame material (reddish color). You attach the screen to the BACK of the frame, so it clears the bracket leg. You then add a decorative millwork of your choice (purple triangle) to cover (secure) the screen.



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phonedave said:
Is that brace also flush on the back side of the door? It looks like it is, but if it is not you can attach the removable screen to the backside in a shallow rabbet. Is that 1/2" material? How thick is this screen frame material

Here is where my head is going with this. excuse the horrible diagram (I am at work). Grey is your door frame. Green is the bracket. You rabbet out a slot that fits your screen frame material (reddish color). You attach the screen to the BACK of the frame, so it clears the bracket leg. You then add a decorative millwork of your choice (purple triangle) to cover (secure) the screen.



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I see what you are saying. That idea might work but only if I account for 100% of the frame to be in the rabbet. Which requires a bit purchase. In addition, it also requires that I cut the frame perfectly :ROFLMAO:. You can see the picture below the edge sticks over which I can grind off if needed. But the bigger issue is that hole in the bracket that screws to the inside edge. It might just clear the screen frame but it would not have any bite on the screw. Probably ok since at this point these could be just decorative.

Without the framed screen I can bump the stapled on screen with the bracket it won't be an issue. Probably could even do that with the frame. And also I could make the frame a tiny bit proud of the door. Just not sure I want to go through the hassle of the frame when I can staple it and call it a day.

I also just found out I need to replace that 4x4 on the left edge of the gazebo door opening. It is warped a lot. Center is 1" out from the 2 ends. It's a banana. It is not structural and seems to be held in place by just a single nail on each end. But a PITA to leave as-is since that is where I need to attach the door latch. I am hoping I can find a single straight 4x4 at Home Depot :oops:. I also need a straight 1x4 for the outer trim on the same left side since that is also warped. Fortunately the hinge-side (right) 4x4 and 1x4 is straight.

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Making progress! I replaced the left 4x4 with a nice straight one. Also test hung the door which fits and swings great. I put a heavy coat of Danish oil on it and may hang it permanently tomorrow.

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PoolGate said:
I see what you are saying. That idea might work but only if I account for 100% of the frame to be in the rabbet. Which requires a bit purchase. In addition, it also requires that I cut the frame perfectly :ROFLMAO:. You can see the picture below the edge sticks over which I can grind off if needed. But the bigger issue is that hole in the bracket that screws to the inside edge. It might just clear the screen frame but it would not have any bite on the screw. Probably ok since at this point these could be just decorative.

Without the framed screen I can bump the stapled on screen with the bracket it won't be an issue. Probably could even do that with the frame. And also I could make the frame a tiny bit proud of the door. Just not sure I want to go through the hassle of the frame when I can staple it and call it a day.

I also just found out I need to replace that 4x4 on the left edge of the gazebo door opening. It is warped a lot. Center is 1" out from the 2 ends. It's a banana. It is not structural and seems to be held in place by just a single nail on each end. But a PITA to leave as-is since that is where I need to attach the door latch. I am hoping I can find a single straight 4x4 at Home Depot :oops:. I also need a straight 1x4 for the outer trim on the same left side since that is also warped. Fortunately the hinge-side (right) 4x4 and 1x4 is straight.

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Yeah, I see what you are saying with how those brackets really do not work with that stock. They appear to be designed to work with 2 by material (but that makes a heavy screen door)

They are decorative, and if you do go the grind them down route, you could always glue them in place, and then a small screw just to prevent movement.

Good job with that 4x4. I have been building some elevated garden beds over the last 2 or 3 weeks. 5 beds - 60 or so 2x4's in total. To get those 60 to be for the most part straight, with no major knots or splits, or cupping I think I have picked through about 150 in total. HD lumber (especially PT) is like a pretzel.
 

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kimkats said:
and you were able to use the pretties!! Well done!
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It is already doing its job too. A couple birds were making confused flights in front of the door. In past years they have made nests in the light inside the gazebo. I used a camera and no eggs yet so got it done in time. Also cleaned out 2 giant trash bags of junk. Still have at least one more. Then we can actually use the gazebo. It is fully screened including a screen under the floor to keeps bugs out.
 
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Door is working great but apparently those trim pieces are made out of steel. They are already rusting. So I am going to remove them all, remove/sand the rust and paint them in flat black with maybe clear sealant on top.

Kind of annoyed since I think these were sold for outdoor use.

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Put a rust neutralizer on the metal before you paint them. Removing/sanding the rust does not stop the rusting chemical process the way the neutralizer does.
 
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