Concrete pool up north

[Henry Porter]

Ya know Matts, if you would stop all that partying and concert going you could have this pool done by now :lol:

hahaha Lynn!
If you live where I live you really have to take advantage of the short summer, otherwise the winter get's awfully long
I have the pleassure to live in a real summercity with one of the best and most well known beaches in the country with real good night life Problem is the day after, now a days do get so hangover that I have problems even getting up. Most be that I'm to untrained in that departure

I have started to install the electrical cabinet in the machineroom that will be separated from our houses "cabinet" with it's own "protective earth switch". I will keep it simple and run the poolpump from a clock that also run the heatpump indirect. It has it's inbuild flow sensor so that stop the pump when the poolpump stops.
Dimmers on the pool lamps that I will steer from a remote control. and the lamps around the pool will I also run from the same remote control(different channel). What I have to do before I can continue is to order a frequency converter to compensate for our lower frequency, since I imported poolpump, chlorinator and the poolrobot from the US.
I have installed a signal cable from the house that I will connect a lamp to in our cellar, so when the protective earth goes off in the poolroom the lamp will lit. I will also install a horn that will go off if water reach a certain level in the room. I really hope that I don't have to listen to that horn to often :lol:
tileing is NOT yet compleated so I will work simultaneously with both task's
pics as soon as the poolroom is finished

//Mats

EDIT: I forgott to say that I will install a fan that will go 24-7 in the poolroom. I haven't seen anyone done that before but I think that will be worthwhile to keep equipment free from moist and corrosion and also keep the temparature down in the summertime. It won't cost anything to run it since it only take 6W. might be something to consider if you planning a poolroom.

 

[launboy]

Sounds like a plan to me! :-D The fan and horn sound like great ideas to make sure the equipment doesn't get destroyed. What's a protective earth switch? Is that like a GFCI switch?

Can't wait to see the next set of pics. :-D
Adam

 

[Henry Porter]

Hi Adam!
I looked in a dictionary(something I should do more often :-D ) and the word I was looking for is residual currrent device and not protective earth switch. That device detect if there's any current in the protective earth and shot the system off if there is. I will connect everything to that device except the transformer that will supply the horn and lamp in my cellar.

 

[Gooserider]

Hi Adam!
I looked in a dictionary(something I should do more often :-D ) and the word I was looking for is residual currrent device and not protective earth switch. That device detect if there's any current in the protective earth and shot the system off if there is. I will connect everything to that device except the transformer that will supply the horn and lamp in my seller.

Don't know if it's the same thing, but it sounds to me like at least the functional equivalent of the US "GFCI" or "Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter" - ours works by comparing the current flow in the hot and neutral wires - per basic electrical theory, the current flowing through a circuit is the same at all points, so if all the current is returning via the neutral wire (as it should be) then there will be no difference between them. OTOH, if you are loosing current to the ground, then there will be less in the neutral wire, and the difference will cause the device to trip. Thus it doesn't directly detect current in the ground or protective earth wire, but instead detects a lack of current in the neutral wire... The idea is that if you grab a hot wire while hanging onto an earth / ground connection, and current starts taking a shortcut through your body, the GFCI device will detect the missing current in the neutral wire and kill the power before you get a fatal shock. Doesn't always work, but it can definitely be a lifesaver.

I'm not sure just how EU wiring works, beyond that you run on 50Hz 220V, instead of the US 60Hz 110/220V split phase system, so I don't know if your device is directly comparable or not, but it sounds like something that does the same sort of job.

One other minor detail on spelling / grammar - a "seller" is the person who sells you something - I think the word you are looking for is "CELLAR", also known as a basement, which is the lowest level in a building, normally mostly underground. (Not all homes will have one, those built on a ground level slab or a raised foundation don't...)

Gooserider

 

[Henry Porter]

Hi there Gooserider!
You're right about the function on the GFCI unit so we are talking about the same device. I have always thought that it meassure the current on the ground cable but after your last post I checked it out and it was like you said, I can't say that I'm suprised though

And yeah it's cellar that I meant! You see I speak pretty good( belive or not) and know's pretty well how to pronounce most words but my spelling lagging behind. Even by my standards is it quite embarrassing to mix seller with cellar :-D

regards Mats

 

[cobra46]

Don't worry about your English. It is very very good.

I'm certain your English is much better than anyone's Swedish here.

I would bet you even speak some other language besides English and Swedish.

Americans generally have no room to talk about languages since we don't learn any foreign languages to the same level the average European does.

 

[Gooserider]

Hi there Gooserider!
You're right about the function on the GFCI unit so we are talking about the same device. I have always thought that it meassure the current on the ground cable but after your last post I checked it out and it was like you said, I can't say that I'm suprised though

And yeah it's cellar that I meant! You see I speak pretty good( belive or not) and know's pretty well how to pronounce most words but my spelling lagging behind. Even by my standards is it quite embarrassing to mix seller with cellar :-D

regards Mats

Glad to hear we are using the same sort of protection devices...

Don't worry about the english stuff, your English is FAR better than my Swedish, or any other foreign language for that matter. I did study some spanish back in my school years, a way long time ago, but never really used it, and have forgotten most of it. It is one of the many sad things about the US (non)educational system, few students learn any additional languages, and the ones that do mostly only learn one or two - I know in my High School, which was a good one by most standards, the ONLY choices were French and Spanish...

My limited experience in Europe was that just about everyone spoke at least some english and usually other languages as well besides their native one. Ironically enough the only place I had trouble communicating was in Glasgow Scotland...

Gooserider

 

[cobra46]

That's funny. I too had a difficult time understanding the Scots. It required lots of concentration.

 

[beaumatt]

WOW, after reading almost a year of posts in one afternoon, I am anxiously awaiting the final pics. I cannot imagine how much all of you who have been following all this time are waiting for the final results. Henry has done an unbelieveable job. I wish my DIY projects showed 1/100th of the attention to detail that his pool is showing. I am dumbfounded by his quality!

Henry is the KING :king: !!

 

[Henry Porter]

Henry is the KING :king: !!

hahaha Beaumatt!! You know it take's a king to be so genuinley nice to someone as you just was! So you're the king in my book
I'm a little peplexed of how many king and queens this site have gathered :-D

We have come to a mutual conclusion in the family that we will wait to early next season before we will fill up the pool. This is based on two things, partly beacuse of the weather situation we had here last three weeks when it constantly has rained. But mostly beacuse that we want the whole pool area ready so we really can enjoy the pool 100 percent when we finally start it up after all the hours that I've spent down there, without worrying about the other task's that remains.

We could fill up the pool any day now since that's only the epoxy grout left on the tileing and some electrical work but it feels good that we have made the decision. I thought our daughters would be dissapointed by the decision but they was suprisingly enough fine with the idea that we should wait and actually supports it

So I will start with the deck as soon as the grout is in place. Btw thanks Cobra46 for the link showing the coping frames that asked for in another thread
Pics is coming continusly with start with the grout as soon it's in place!

//Mats

 

[dlduvall]

Wow Mats, your kids must be a lot more patient than mine are! My 8 year old son would probably sneak out in the dark and put the hose in the pool......

 

[Ohm_Boy]

Pics is coming continusly with start with the grout as soon it's in place!

I have been following this thread since its beginning, always checking to see if there is any new info, because of just how phenomenal the workmanship has been. I am fascinated by the design and by the attention to detail and quality of work. I think on this side of the ocean we refer to it as "Old World Craftmanship". I cannot wait to see the results.

So yeah... post more pics!

 

[mirage]

Hey Matts;

If you were closer to my side of the world I'd offer to come over help you finish your pool.

Keep the pics coming.

Mirage

 

[Lershac]

Mats how is the pool coming? Any progress to note?

 

[Casey]

Please update soon!

 

[Henry Porter]

Hi again!
Yea it has been a while. I have actually(since last week) started to work on the pool again. Motivation is on top and I will try to get most of the job done that's left, before the it gets to chilly here. I haven't yet put grout on the tile but instead started to work on the pool area. It's now decided that we will pour stamped concrete all around. I have found stamps on ebay and colour hardening and relase agent and sealer in the UK, that I will order as soon as we decide colour and pattern. It lends towards randome stone pattern, any thoughts on that? I will go up a few sizes on the rebars in an attempt to prevent cracks that I understand many people suffers from on their stamped concrete projects. I have a few questions on where the expansions joint should be placed, but I'll wait with those until I have pics that helps me explain what I mean

I'm not sure wether I shall pour the foundament to the kitchen and shower next weekend or if I shall start fill up around the pool.
Either way can I put up some pics on the progress on sunday!

//Mats

 

[waste]

Mats, always good to see you here and follow your perfect pool build!

I think you're doing the correct thing by waiting to fill the pool next year You have taken your time to do all else right, why start rushing now?

You are the perfect! example of a person building their own pool and DOING IT RIGHT! (you've researched and double checked at every phase, then learned the techniques to do the job right :!: )

I would advise applying the grout before the pool fills with some water and freezes (let's not 'pop' any of those tiles up )

Again, I am AMAZED! at what you've accomplished!!! You have built yourself a FAR better pool than most 'experts' could have :handshake:

 

[Henry Porter]

Thank you sir

I will apply the grout before the frost come to town When you said it it's very obvious that it has to be done before winter comes, but i'm not sure if I would have thought of it if you haven't told me
The reason that i'm not finished with it yet is that I was more than tired of tileing and all task associated with that after I finished the mounting all 8500 plates That I'm not 100% confident to do it myself has something to do with it aswell. I have a name on a contractor that works with epoxy on a professional level I think I will call him and see if he can undertake our pool. The problem is that I'm runnning out of money on this project. My estimation from the beginning was to finsih everything with 200K swedish krone. But after the last revision I'm lending towards 310K sek. Do I have to say that math was not my major Anyway I have to keep the labour cost at a minimum so I don't have to rob my savings again.

Speaking of contractors I have one at the moment that helps me digging out the last dirt on the poolarea and also transport some masses that I will fill up with. He was suppose to fininsh the job last week but still not finished What he has accomplished though is to ruin parts of the foundation to our wall that surrounds the pool When I saw that the other day after a few days away from home I freaked a little. When I pay to get something done I expect to get a professional job, nothing less than I should have accomplish myself. Is that to much to ask for!!!??.... I swore that I never would hire another contractor again

I have some interesting ideas for the pool area that I will fulfill this winter with start with the kitchen. I will build that with old timber logs together with concrete and bricks. old logs is something I have used in many positions in our house over the years. I really like the look of them, I think they bring a solid feeling that new wood doesen't. Eventually I will build a pavillion like the one Mirage has with the same type of timber.
I can't belive I post these pictures but since we all like pics..... I sneaked up to my daughters room a minute ago and turned on the light so I could take these two pictures. She woke up and asked what I was doing. I told her that I just wanted to show TFP what kind of timber we shall build our kitchen with. She turned away saying - Dad you are crazy...

Let me end this rant with saying that more appropriate pictures will be posted on sunday :-D

Regards Mats
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[mpride]

Mats,
very nice interior. I'm curious though. Are the beams structural or for decoration only?

 

[Henry Porter]

Hi Mark!
They are actually structual all of them. I have torn down the whole house over a 10 years period and then built it up again.
You have to have something to do when you home from work , don't you
The house was actually a disaster when we bought it, so much of the renovations was something that I had to stick my head into. It would be much easier to build a new house from the ground, something I could establish after a few years . The house was built sometimes in the 17th century so it was time for a renovation