Dec 10, 2017
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Austin
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13500
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Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
I'd like some advice on troubleshooting what appears to be a com port issue, but I'm not sure.

The system is a Pentair Intellitouch i9+3 (installed around 2015). Local and remote access has worked flawlessly since day one, but recently stopped.

Our first troubleshooting step was to check the outdoor antenna. This revealed a very old/deteriorated wire run (approximately 30ft long) from the panel to the antenna. After almost a decade of direct sun exposure on the EAST side of the pool house, the wire run had become so brittle it appeared to be flaking away in some spots. We replaced this damaged wire run with a new one that is much shorter (approximately 5ft), and took lots of pictures to ensure we installed the four new wires to match the placement of the old/damaged ones.

Now that we're finished, we are experiencing the following issues:

1 - We can connect to the system LOCALLY (using ScreenLogic Connect on an iPhone) and control ALL circuits except one (the Intelliflo Pump), but none of the circuits can be controlled REMOTELY.
2 - The Intelliflow Pump cannot be controlled locally or remotely, and doesn't appear to be communicating with the system at all. The pump screen used to properly read "Display Not Active", but now it just shows the standard screen you'd typically see when running the pump manually. The pump runs fine, albeit manually, but it is no longer recognized by the Intellitouch. When controlling the system LOCALLY using the ScreenLogic Connect app on an iPhone, the pump is the ONLY circuit that does not respond/work as expected.

A couple thoughts:

A: The fact that we can get Screenlogic to connect locally and control ALL circuits (except the Intelliflo) makes me think the board is sound, and maybe it's just a wiring issue. I initially thought we didn't tighten down one of the screws on the RS485 when connecting the new wiring...but they all appear to be tight and none of the four wires pull out when tugged. Could the RS485 connector itself be bad?

B: The new wiring we used appears to be identical to the old run, it's just much shorter. I'm not sure why the pool builder originally chose to locate the antenna ~30ft from the panel. It seems unnecessary as I've seen a number of pools that have the antenna just a few feet to the left/right or above the panel. Attached is a diagram of the pool layout in case it helps. Is there a specific wire gauge required to connect the Antenna to the RS485 com port? Our 5 foot replacement wire is 18 gauge. Around here they call it "thermostat wire".

C: Regarding the Intelliflo, I'm not sure how/why it was affected by what we did. The Intellitouch i9+3 Board (model 520074) has two com ports and the pump is connected to the left one all by itself. Our work only included removing/replacing the wires connected to the right com port. We didn't bump or otherwise disturb the green and yellow wires on the left com port. I know these ports are finnicky, but the one we messed with seems to work fine locally, and the one we didn't mess with isn't working at all.

Any thoughts?
 

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Welcome to TFP.

Let's invite @Jimrahbe and @ogdento to this party.

Work on one problem at a time.

Your Intelliflo pump does not have a good RS-485 connection to the IntelliTouch and defaults to its local control. First step in diagnosing RS-485 comm problems is to remove all other RS-485 connections and have only one device connected at a time.

Do you have any other RS-485 connections besides your VS pump and antenna?

Disconnect all other RS-485 wires and only have your VS pump connected. See if you get DISPLAY NOT ACTIVE on the pump display. Also, try connecting the pump to the other comm port.

Power down the panel before making any RS-485 wiring changes. And I hope you did that when you worked on your antenna.
 
pg,

If this were my pool, the first thing I would do is to check the RS-485 connection right at the pump..

We have seen several where the pins in the connector have corroded away... And a couple where the pool guy remove the cable and did not reinstall it... :mrgreen:

Also might makes sure the RS-485 cable has not been chewed in two..

The pump will not show "display not active" when in the Service mode. (I doubt you are, just making sure..)

I am not sure if the IntelliTouch has two separate RS-485 driver chips, or one chip that controls the two ports.. @ogdento would know for sure..

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
while you're doing the troubleshooting steps from Allen and Jim...

revision B and earlier boards have 1 comm chip, and rev C and later have 2 chips. But, they all use just one chip (labelled U4) for "both" ports on the personality card - I put "both" in quotes because it's really just one rs485 port with 2 connectors in parallel (i.e. the power and data lines on the 2 connectors are wired together, so they're the same on either connector)
 
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I followed the suggested troubleshooting as follows:
1 - Checked the integrity of the wires from the pump to the board. Everything looked fine. Checked the board's RS-485 ports for corrosion and/or anything out of the ordinary. Found nothing.
2 - Powered down the system, removed all RS-485 connections (there are only two - the pump and the antenna), then reconnected the pump connection to the left RS-485 port. This resulted in no change once we fired the system back up. Pump screen still doesn't appear to be talking to the board. "Display Not Active" is NOT shown on the pump screen.
3 - Powered system down and moved the pump connector to the other RS-485 port. This resulted in no change once we fired the system back up. Pump screen still doesn't appear to be talking to the board. "Display Not Active" is NOT shown on the pump screen.

Based on how common it is for these com chips to fail, my next step was going to be to replace the U4 chip that Tom referenced...unless you guys thinks that's a premature move. It's easy enough to do, so I figured I'd give it a shot since it's the most likely culprit at this point.

The main board is Revision D. Is there a specific com chip for this year/board? I was planning to order the one specified in this post from 2023, but I'm not sure if all Intellitouch/EasyTouch boards use the same one:
 
Either the maxim (now microchip) Max1483esa or intersil 81483isl is fine, pentair uses them interchangeably - probably depending on availability.

I get mine from mouser, but digikey or Newark are good sources. I stay away from Amazon/eBay because there are lots of counterfeit parts out there and I don't want to bother with that.
 
The difference is only in the packaging... The +T comes in a plastic tube while the + is in a cut-tape/reel. Weird that on mouser the + is a lot more expensive, but you probably don't have a robot 😁 placing these parts so you won't care about the packaging.
 
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It's been a few weeks since I created this post asking for advice on my com issue. I wanted to follow up to share that it was indeed the U4 chip. I ordered a new one, swapped it out, and fired the system back up to find that everything was working as expected.

Thank you to @ajw22, @Jimrahbe and @ogdento for your helpful insight. Anyone who's ever found a solution to their problem on this site likely got it from a post written by one or all three of you guys.
 

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