Hi All,
Hi and thanks ahead of time. Bond wire issue for old pool light replacement on pool renovation.
I will get my pool replastered. It is now empty.
I have the back of the pool wall dug out behind the niche where the red brass comes up right by the coping. I want to extend the conduit back 9 feet to the wall and bring it up to a jbox. I can extend the conduit with red brass though I haven't looked into it, or with pvc electrical conduit.
The clip has come off the metal ring in the cement light niche so that will be replaced. I see no bond connection either to the ring or to the red brass conduit coming out of the cement niche.
I have the deck off so I can run a bond wire under the future deck all around the pool.
I've installed my inground spa light (with the separate ground wire from the interior of the canister through the conduit back to pad, and also the bonding wire from outside the canister, in the ground, back to pad,) so I know how to do that.
Question: How do I bond the new light canister to everything else? It seems the question is how do I get the bond wire out of the cement niche?
1. Can I attach the bond wire (from light canister) to the red brass in the niche and then attach a bond wire to the red brass outside the niche? I could isolate that brass from any other ground by using a plastic jbox.
2. When the ring comes off during the replaster maybe there will be a bond attached to it but I seriously doubt it. I've chipped around anything that looked like it was an attachment and nothing.
3. Do I have to bust through the cement niche to bring the bond wire through, and if I do that should I replace the brass with pvc at the same time?
4. The only rebar I found in the pool wall (besides when I was core drilling and I can't get to that) is a halfway corroded line coming out and running about 2 ft along the edge of the shallow end wall a couple inches below the coping. If I get out of the niche I can run a bond wire around the pool under the deck and attach to that and the bond wire from the spa light to the pad, right? Also if I put in a ladder of Uframes for a diving board I can attach to those, right?
5. I think the main thing is getting out of the cement niche and if I can use the brass conduit it would be the easiest. I can get to only the top of about 2 inches of the conduit inside the niche without chipping out concrete. I'd rather not chip out much as I've chipped a little of the back of the niche off to expose the conduit and am not sure how thick the niche wall is, but I could probably expose it some. How would I attach to it if I did, solder, screw, clamp around the whole pip? If I can use the brass conduit for the bond I can figure it out but i don't know if solder is allowed. I suppose I shouldn't pot it or it wouldn't be a water bond?
Thank you,
Jim[
Hi and thanks ahead of time. Bond wire issue for old pool light replacement on pool renovation.
I will get my pool replastered. It is now empty.
I have the back of the pool wall dug out behind the niche where the red brass comes up right by the coping. I want to extend the conduit back 9 feet to the wall and bring it up to a jbox. I can extend the conduit with red brass though I haven't looked into it, or with pvc electrical conduit.
The clip has come off the metal ring in the cement light niche so that will be replaced. I see no bond connection either to the ring or to the red brass conduit coming out of the cement niche.
I have the deck off so I can run a bond wire under the future deck all around the pool.
I've installed my inground spa light (with the separate ground wire from the interior of the canister through the conduit back to pad, and also the bonding wire from outside the canister, in the ground, back to pad,) so I know how to do that.
Question: How do I bond the new light canister to everything else? It seems the question is how do I get the bond wire out of the cement niche?
1. Can I attach the bond wire (from light canister) to the red brass in the niche and then attach a bond wire to the red brass outside the niche? I could isolate that brass from any other ground by using a plastic jbox.
2. When the ring comes off during the replaster maybe there will be a bond attached to it but I seriously doubt it. I've chipped around anything that looked like it was an attachment and nothing.
3. Do I have to bust through the cement niche to bring the bond wire through, and if I do that should I replace the brass with pvc at the same time?
4. The only rebar I found in the pool wall (besides when I was core drilling and I can't get to that) is a halfway corroded line coming out and running about 2 ft along the edge of the shallow end wall a couple inches below the coping. If I get out of the niche I can run a bond wire around the pool under the deck and attach to that and the bond wire from the spa light to the pad, right? Also if I put in a ladder of Uframes for a diving board I can attach to those, right?
5. I think the main thing is getting out of the cement niche and if I can use the brass conduit it would be the easiest. I can get to only the top of about 2 inches of the conduit inside the niche without chipping out concrete. I'd rather not chip out much as I've chipped a little of the back of the niche off to expose the conduit and am not sure how thick the niche wall is, but I could probably expose it some. How would I attach to it if I did, solder, screw, clamp around the whole pip? If I can use the brass conduit for the bond I can figure it out but i don't know if solder is allowed. I suppose I shouldn't pot it or it wouldn't be a water bond?
Thank you,
Jim[
