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    Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Has anyone used these? More importantly, had success? The sand washes out, and they don't look great. Looking for repair ideas for filling in the gaps between the pavers. TIA


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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Did they use polymeric sand? Once in place, you wet with water and it sets up similar to grout. But I have read that pavers need sand added every 3-5 years. We have a user who I know used Belgard just recently in her St Augustine FL build. I forget her user name.. Swim something? I would use the search function and look up Belgard.
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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Thanks
    Yes, polymeric sand.
    It never did set properly/ harden.
    The PB was not happy with me, there was constant sand washing out into pool and on top of pavers, painful!
    What a mess
    They tried 3 times to 'fill the gaps' but each time something didn't work properly.
    I showed PB the spots: he said 'looks fine to me'
    Ughhh
    Looking for someone with paver experience to help repair, or use a material that will stay put.
    We do get a fair amount of spring rain.


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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Oh wow I see what you mean. Is that flagstone?

    We have a lot of very knowledgeable people on here who should be able to help. I wonder if the grout lines are too wide for polymeric sand? Hopefully someone will chime in here for you.
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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    No, those are the belgard pavers!
    Can't remember the name, but made to resemble natural flag stone I think.
    I have worse spots, that's the one photo I found.


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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Geez I would be so frustrated too.
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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Here it is when it was recently fixed
    You can see General idea, but you can already see the washed out spaces.

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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    And it was the most expensive option! Sold as 'trouble free' stone. Nothing but trouble.


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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    It is beautiful! Except for the fact the joints are washed out.
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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    I agree with Shantelly. The gaps look too big for polymeric sand. I'm also not an expert on that.

    Soon, I'm going to to add polymeric sand to my travertine pavers. Most are set so close it will be a challenge to get the sand in there. From my layman's research, I'm going to use PolySweep polymeric sand by SEK. It's more expensive, and about an hour's drive to the closest dealer, but the info I found convinced me there are poor grades of polymeric sand.

    A member from Austin built his pool last year. I'm pretty sure he used the same Belgard pavers (same pattern. His member name is 'ummgood'. I haven't seen him on this year, but you could send an email through tapatalk (I don't know how to do that). Or, his build thread might mention if he used the sand or not. If you can't find it, I'll be on my computer tomorrow and can get it for you then.
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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Ha! I think I just learned how to copy and paste from my cell!! I know, most of you are not impressed, but I am!

    My how time flies. His pool build was 2 years ago. On p. 24, post # 476, he mentions polymeric sand being used. I don't know if he had any problems with the sand.
    Good luck!

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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuzfromTexas View Post
    Ha! I think I just learned how to copy and paste from my cell!! I know, most of you are not impressed, but I am!

    My how time flies. His pool build was 2 years ago. On p. 24, post # 476, he mentions polymeric sand being used. I don't know if he had any problems with the sand.
    Good luck!

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    Suz I'm impressed ! Lol
    Please pm me on how you can link from a cell, me and Kim were discussing and couldn't figure it out.
    Sorry to hijack the thread


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Will View Post
    Suz I'm impressed ! Lol
    Please pm me on how you can link from a cell, me and Kim were discussing and couldn't figure it out.
    Sorry to hijack the thread


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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Thank you, Will!

    And thank you, Shantellylace! I could not have explained it like you did. I accidentally stumbled onto the blue teardrop thingy method. I'm good (or bad, when it causes big boo-boos) at tapping around on the screen to find what I want. Now, thanks to you, I'll be able to do it again without experimenting! Lol!
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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Thanks guys!
    Yes, maybe a different brand of sand will work better.
    The gaps here are precut and made into the Belgrade pacers, in fact they are cut on top of the pacer so that the sand can look like grout. However the PB tried, most of the spaces Becker hardened! And washed out during the next rain !!


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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Belgard Pavers!!!


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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    In the picture that you posted, it almost looks like the location of the washing out is directly below a roof-line - I can't quite tell as there's very little of the roof and what looks to be a support post in the picture. Is there water coming off of that roof, landing on the pavers, and eroding the sand? If so, could you use a gutter to prevent it from happening? I know very little about pavers, but we're in the process of using some Belgard blocks to build some pieces around our pool, so this thread caught my eye...
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    Re: Belgard pavers on a large patio deck?

    Hi
    I haven't had a chance to go through my photos, AMD wasn't home to take more, but...
    Yes, definitely along that roof line, there was immediate wash out. However, other parts of the open patio have the same if not worse result.
    It has been very disappointing.
    I even had the local belgard rep come out to see and he said it was bad!
    However, Belgard does not make the sand, nor do the contractors work for them!


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