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    Another Baq conversion

    Long time reader, first time converter.

    After adding up the $$$ I spent on Baq last year, I decided to make the switch (after I stopped hyperventilating).

    I've been reading the forums over and over for the last few weeks, and would appreciate any encouragement or guidance as I go through this process. As others have said -- it can be quite a scary (looking) process, in the middle. My local pool store was telling me they wanted to do Cal-Hypo and let it sit for 2 days.

    But after reading success after success, I know TFP has the methodology down, and am going the liquid chlorine route.

    I'm nervous because the concepts for a chlorine pool is foreign to me (noob). I started on Baq 3 years ago when we bought the house, and became first time pool owners. I'm anxious to switch after reading other stories and how much data TFP has, in order to help us joe-six-packs out. Just an awesome resource!

    So here's where I started the season:

    Opened the pool and measured 15 ppm of Baq in my pool, 0 Baq Shock. I let it sit for 2 weeks (vacuumed it and filtered it), and it still read 15 ppm. I never shocked it. This was all leftover from closing. That may be an anomaly since I struggled last season getting accurate readings. I went out and bought an expensive test kit for measuring Baq and shock at home and it almost always read 15 ppm no matter what. But whatever, those days are soon over.

    Anyway, best I can tell my pool is 13-14,000 gal. It's vinyl and octagonal.

    I have my shiny brand new TF-100 kit (very nice, btw)

    I stocked up on 3 cases of liquid chlorine (12 bottles at 12.5%)-- the labels say "shock" but list show Sodium Hypochlorite as 12.5%. $3.50/bottle, FWIW.

    Before starting, here were my numbers
    pH 7.3
    TA 80-90

    Using the calculator, it determined that I needed 1.7 gal of 12.5% to go from 0 to 15ppm.

    I put that in at 12:30 PM today, 6/6.

    I took some pictures (ugly brown) but no goo. It only changed colors.

    I came back around 2 PM and used the basic test kit to measure chlorine. It matched up with "1" (yikes!?), so I just added another 2.3 gal of Cl 12.5% solution. It turned darker and almost pinkish clouds for a few minutes, and now back to brown/green.

    My questions:

    1) Did I add enough solution? Is the stuff I bought OK?
    2) Am I wasting it by doing this in the daytime, or does it not matter at this early stage?
    3) Should I just keep checking and adding every hour?
    4) Will I eventually get goo?

    Thanks for the site, thanks for the help.

    And for all those who love conversion photos, enjoy my 2PM shot, attached.


    Thanks,
    Chris
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    Hello

    I just converted last week, and the results are amazing!

    You can add your chlorine up to once every hour in the beginning, keeping you level at 15 ppm(it will make it go a lot faster). I don't think my baquacil levels were quite as high as yoors, I don't know. Didn't bother to test them...lol...I just know the whole fist day, my water was a muddy grean kind of color. I just used liquid bleac and went through about 80 bottles during my 4-5 day conversion. Good luck to you, just have patience because it will work. I'm sure the experts here will chime in soon, they helped me a great deal.
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    That is exactly what my pool likes like at this very moment! How did you put your picture on? I am computer literate, honest. I just don't know how to get my photos onto this site. Any help would be appreciated.

    I haven't had any foam or stuff floating on top, just that yucky greenish brown water so far.
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    OK -- 3:20 PM update.

    We've got GOOOO!!!

    I measured FC using the DPD powder this time, and only 1-2 drops to make the solution clear -- so another 2 gal of 12.5% solution went in.

    Goo picture attached.

    [horsegal -- I just resize the picture in Microsoft Paint to 20% original, then use the "Upload attachment" feature below (when authoring) to add the file to my post
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    EWWWWWWWW! GOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Keep your shock level at 15. Once your pool starts to clear after a few days, then you can shock at night. Don't forget to back wash.

    You will be done when:
    you lose less than 1 FC over night
    your CC's are .5 or less
    your water sparkles!

    After that, you can change your filter media but not until the 3 criteria above has been met! You have a ways to go though. Good Luck and keep the pics coming!
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    4:30 PM update

    FC = 7

    Added 1 gal of 12.5% solution

    More goooo!

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    The goo has largely disappeared now (9 PM).

    My FC was 10 ppm, so just needed to top up.

    And I backwashed to get PSI back down to 17 from 26.

    Should be interesting to see what happens in the AM.
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    FC was 2.5 in the AM, so another 2 gal of 12.5% solution went in.

    Less goo this time, although there seems to be a quantity of it on the bottom in the shallow end.

    Do I vacuum this stuff out during the process, or just leave it until the end?

    It's been 20 hours and I've used 14 bottles of 12.5% solution so far. (back to the pool store today)
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    Yes, vacuum up whatever you can.
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    30 hours after starting...

    Quick FC check in the AM showed 12 PPM, so not much loss. Getting close. Looks better (first time I can see bottom of the deep end, albeit green).

    Need to vacuum when I get home from work tonight.

    Even the dog thinks it might be time to get in!
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    Looking good! You are about 2/3rds of the way through at this point. Just a little more and you will be there. You should do an overnight FC loss test tonight.
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    Wow, great job so far on the conversion and the pix are wonderful.....especially the last one!

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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    Pool looks even better this afternoon! I can see the light!!! (pics soon)

    Quick question -- can I use my pool robot in 15 ppm chlorinated water? Will the high oxidizer levels "hurt" my robot in any way? It's an iRobot Verro.
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    Your pics are keeping me motivated. I came home from work at lunch to add two more bottles of bleach and I am beginning to see blue today.

    Thank you! Nice pool, I want to dive in with the dog

    Moderators, etc. please answer the question above. I butted into the conversation. Sorry
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    Quote Originally Posted by horsegal
    Your pics are keeping me motivated. I came home from work at lunch to add two more bottles of bleach and I am beginning to see blue today.

    Thank you! Nice pool, I want to dive in with the dog

    Moderators, etc. please answer the question above. I butted into the conversation. Sorry
    Thanks horsegal -- keep it up, and let's see some pictures!

    Pic below -- it was a LOT clearer when I came home, but once I started vacuuming it, all the "stuff" became agitated and it's a little darker now. It seems my sand isn't filtering out the fine stuff.

    It would be nice if I could use my pool robot to get them entirely out of the system. I'll post my question in the Pool Cleaner forum as well.

    Anyway, I added some more chlorine tonight after sun-down, and I'll measure again at bedtime and again in the AM to do the overnight FC loss test.
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    Looks nice and clear this morning.

    Tried the overnight FC test last night, but it was stormy.

    I went to bed with 22 PPM (I over shot) and woke up with 10 PPM.

    But it rained 1/2 to 3/4" overnight.

    So I've topped up again this morning and will just keep checking and filling and try again tonight.
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    Looking great! Keep it up, and you will be swimming in no time!

    Your filter WILL eventually catch all the stuff... are you backwashing frequently enough?

    Sorry, don't know the answer to your "Can the robot safely be in 15+ppmFC" question...

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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    OK, I may take the day off from work tomorrow to swap out the sand if my overnight FC test holds (after looking at the water today, I'm really hoping it does).

    It is SUPER crystal clear! I'm amazed by the results! (pic below)

    I stopped by the pool store today to buy sand. They only sell #16 Silica Sand, but my filter calls for #20.

    Is that a problem?
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    I found the manufacturer of the sand here but no mention that it is specifically for the pool.

    Should I take it back and try another store?
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    Re: Another Baq conversion

    You really only want to use #20 silica sand. Too large and it won't filter very well. Too small and it will get through the laterals and into the pool.
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