Thanks NWMNMOM, thats exactly what I was referring to. I can see a ton of our customers doing exactly as you spoke of. Dumping a bucket of granular and letting it sit on that vinyl. I hear tons of horror stories. I dont know what some of these people are thinking...On this forum I am exposed to intelligent people, who are knowledgable about pools, then I answer the phone and get calls like, do you all sell liners for intex pools? yes thats a real question. Thanks so much for your input. have a great weekend - Tim