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    Underground backwash basin acting strange?

    Thank you, this was very helpful information. Septic company sounds like a pretty good idea. A lot of my neighbors use the super long flat hose to backwash into the ditch. That is always an option too since they are cheap. I haven't noticed the water doing anything to the grass or flower beds...
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    Underground backwash basin acting strange?

    In my mind this is going to require some kind of pool building expert to come in ($$$) and bring some kind of excavator ($$$) to dig down, and then repair/replace however this system works ($$$). Am I off base on this? If it became a critical issue and it's thousands of dollars, the 100 foot...
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    Underground backwash basin acting strange?

    I have totally bungled this terminology, so please let me know the correct verbiage. When I backwash my sand filter it goes down into some kind of underground area that is pretty large. You can hear it down in there gurgling. In seven years here I never knew that there was two access points...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Update time! This has taken quite a while of slow troubleshooting. What I have done is hook up two lights at a time and run them at night, until they flip the breaker. With only two lights hooked up this does not happen very fast, can be days. Finally I think I had it pinpointed to one pool...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    I see, thanks for pointing that out. I guess my next step will be to inspect and replace the spa light, since that is the easiest and cheapest. Inspect before adding in additional GFCI outlets to compensate for the issue.
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    I thought I would take a stab at testing the neutral wire, but clearly I have no idea how to do it. The amps read the same as on the hot wire. When I try testing with the voltmeter from neutral to ground it just tells me that they are connected. Doesn't give me any volt reading.
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    My voltmeter has a clamp on it, maybe to measure current. However, it's an auto meter so there are no settings. Meaning no controls to select anything. I measured the hot side of each light, but I'm thinking now that I needed to measure the neutral side instead? The readings fluctuate a little...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Is this rule for the pool lights, or just plugs around a pool in general? I have four outlets that are all outdoors and within 6-20 feet of the pool. They are all GFCI protected outlets. The gfci outlet for my pool lights is with my pool equipment and is farther than 20 feet. It's a 20a blank...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    What is a convenience outlet? The gfci that is in there is a blank on the front, with only controls to reset/test it. It would be ridiculously more convenient if that was a gfci with plugs on it, because I'm all the time running an extension cord around there!
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Blower is not. There is only one GFCI outlet currently, with the lights running through it. Originally there were three flood light bulbs in there. Still all together through the single GFCI. I replaced them with the LED bulbs. Wiring up two or more GFCI would require some changes to the...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Yes, in one of my above posts, that is a test that I ran. I did all three combinations of two lights, leaving them on for a couple minutes, and all three combinations worked fine. I was hoping that one set of two lights would trip it, letting me know which was the problem light.
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    I put the bulbs in about 4 years ago, along with new seals at the same time. Maybe enough moisture has gotten into one of them to cause this problem but not enough to break the bulb? The spa light gets used regularly and I'm sure that light takes a lot of kicks from little kids feet. What I'll...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Is there any good way to test/troubleshoot which set of wires, light fixture, or bulb could be the issue without having the light fixtures out of the pool? For now I've left the two pool lights hooked up and turned on to see what happens. Once it's warm enough to get the fixtures out I could...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Once I started investigating the junction box everything was very clear. There are three conduits for the three lights, they are labeled. There is a 4th that goes to a landscape lighting power box, but currently there are no lights hooked up to it. Test #1: 1. Hook each light up individually...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Should I do that with trial and error to find the hot/neutral for each light? One thing that is puzzling is there is 5 wires bundled but there are only three light fixtures. That leaves one additional set of wires that I' not sure what it could go to.
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Thanks a ton for the help so far. I now know that there is nothing wrong with the GFCI outlet. I tried chaining it to another one and the outlet is working fine. All of my tests were probably a waste of time. There is one junction box in between the equipment and the pool. Attached is a photo...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    I will try to see where that wire runs. If there is a junction box for the pool lights then I have no idea where it is. I'll look around for it.
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    This may be the issue. Let me do some testing and report back. I've decided that I want to take all of the pool controls out of the testing. What I've done is wired up an extension cord into a gfci outlet. I can plug things in and know that it's on and working. Now it sounds like I need to plug...
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    Nothing has changed in years. All of the breakers look the same, and it's wired to one of them. I'll double check them to see if anything is different about that one vs the others.
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    15 year old pool, not new. Issue noticed on Friday night. Will make a diagram of how it is wired, but I'm not sure how you could do it wrong. The new one has a light that comes on to tell you if it's ready to go or wired incorrectly.
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    GFCI outlet for pool lights keeps tripping

    As soon as the pool/spa lights are turned on the GFCI breaker trips. I think I have checked everything possible and am now stumped. The hot wire reads 120v with a multimeter. Test #1: 1. Unhook the two wires from the output of the relay. These two wires go to the spa and pool lights. 2. Turn...
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    Messed up - frozen pool

    Thanks a lot for the tips, it's fixed! Inside shanty town it was really toasty. I hair dryer the lids and they came right off, there was not near as much ice as I was anticipating. I turned the pump on and you could see it moving some ice and water was flowing, I set the pump speed on low. After...
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    Messed up - frozen pool

    To get that lid on and off normally takes a lot of force. With it frozen I would be scared of damage. Is it worth trying to hair dryer the top for a while, to melt it then remove the lid? I've created a fortress out of baby gates and a dolly. Covered with a thousand blankets. I got some space...
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    Messed up - frozen pool

    Thanks, on it!
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    Messed up - frozen pool

    Ever since I got a variable speed pump, when it's going to be freezing I just run the pump 24/7 instead of using the freeze mode. I hated the pump turning off and of and the valves changing over and over. So much easier to just run it all the time.....unless you mess up. It was back above...
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    What voltage activates pool automation relays?

    I have a Hayward/Goldline automation system. It has relays that look like this: Amazon.com : Hayward RELAY 3hp FOR AQUA OR PRO LOGIC - GLX-RELAY : Swimming Pool And Spa Supplies : Garden & Outdoor. I have a separate wifi 4 bank 12v dc relay that I use to activate 9 or so different speeds on my...
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    Poor mans bubble reducer for a spa blower!

    You absolutely could make a T and put a valve on it. Then you could open and close the valve to the desired amount. I wouldn't think it would be any noisier than the hole. I'd say the air noise ads 15% to the blower noise. Luckily my equipment is around the corner and you can't even hear it at...
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    Poor mans bubble reducer for a spa blower!

    My spa had a 1hp blower. It died and I wanted more air flow so I went with a 2hp. Wow did I get some air flow then, but it was a little too much. Then I had an idea how to reduce the air flow for about $5. I bought one small PVC pipe and one PVC coupler. I stuck them together and drilled a small...
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    Water spigot with disintegrated handle

    Under a skimmer cover I Have this spigot. In the pool is a plug to keep water from going in I guess. I assume that the spigot could be used to fill up the pool faster if it had to be drained? I've never tested it. I looked in there yesterday and saw that the handle has disintegrated. I'm not...
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    Why no freeze mode on spa blowers?

    In my picture is a check valve that keeps the water front going higher than a few inches. I don't believe the water can expand past the check valve. When the blower is on it blows the check valve down and pushes the water out.