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  1. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Dont worry about hijacking the thread. I'm far from an expert in this area. For my pool, they didnt use dirt in the backfill but didnt use clean gravel either. I have a big question mark on my backfill. My big issue was the concrete guy pouring dirt over the compacted base before pouring...
  2. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    For all the drama and headaches of our project, we are FINALLY just about at the finish line. From having to fire the PB to having the Godfather of Concrete rip me off, this is certainly a project to remember. Now to get the fence up, cover on the pool and wait for warm weather. Thank you VERY...
  3. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Quick follow-up and a bit of a warning. So we had the landscaper clean up the bond beam by cutting it back and packing concrete under it. The landscaper is confident that this will support it and we have roughly 20" of concrete around the pool which should be more than enough (everyone seemed...
  4. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    No rebar (concrete guy didn't have the patience to have the electrician bond the rebar (as the electrician required) and the pool manufacturer had told me it wasn't necessary... up to us).
  5. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Thanks for the advice. The landscaper expressed regret that he didn't do the concrete pour himself... he had never done a pour around a fiberglass pool so he was happy to defer to the PB's mason but neither he nor I expected this type of work. The landscaper did all the prep work and, as you...
  6. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Thanks. I think I am just going to trust the landscaper to fix it. The mason wanted to fix it himself but I don't care to have him work on the pool anymore given the quality of his initial pour. I will have the landscaper fix it up and the mason agreed to split the cost with me...
  7. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Mason had me pay the concrete truck when it arrived. Landscaper told me he stuck a piece of rebar under the concrete and it "went in like butter." He suggests not letting the mason anywhere near the project. The mason insists it's fine but if I'm concerned, he will come back and pour what he...
  8. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Mason obviously says his work is fine but if it will make me comfortable, he will come back, dig around the edges of the bond beam and pour 8" of concrete down in what he called a "chair rail"... Does that make sense to anyone? I'm such a novice in construction and stuck between two different...
  9. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Problem with that is the landscaper already attached the coping to the concrete today before he realized what the mason did underneath. So he was just going to cut the concrete 6" past where the coping ends (the coping is 14" wide) and compact/clean it up on the end rather than rip all 36" off...
  10. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    OK - my project just got more screwed up and I can use some advice. Landscaper prepped around the pool for the 3' bond beam to be poured (Blue Hawaiian requires 3' of concrete around the pool). We then had a mason pour the concrete and then today the landscaper came back to start with the...
  11. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Just to follow on, I spoke with our landscaper and one concrete company who expressed concern with Blue Hawaiian's request -- in their mind, pavers are meant to sit on a paver base to allow drainage under and the more we place on concrete, the bigger the chance pavers are heaved in the...
  12. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    One more question on the bond beam as we are a couple days away from pouring. I've gone back and forth with the pool manufacturer (Blue Hawaiian) on what is required and they are adamant we must pour at least 3' of concrete around the pool for our warranty to be valid. The concern this raised...
  13. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Exactly my thinking. PB said he thought that was the best material for our soil. I don't know what to believe from his mouth but at this point it is what it is.... Unless I want to pay even more to empty the pool and start over (which I really am not).
  14. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    A few more shots to see what I'm talking about. First two shots show you what our PB told me after a month of work was "fully graded and ready for concrete." You can compare that against the shots above of what we look like after one day of the landscaper working (and the third picture which...
  15. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    He used a crushed rock to backfill (at least that's what it seemed to me -- picture of the material attached) and did install a dewatering hole. Our landscaper attached an elbow today to that pipe and ran the dewatering hole out to the side of the pool rather than coming straight up through our...
  16. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    I certainly understand that it will not be perfectly level but our issues go way beyond that with this pool builder. He has shown up a couple of days a week, if that, for a month and then this week not at all. After the pool was in the ground for 2 weeks, my wife mentioned to him that it did not...
  17. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Appreciate the insight. Instead of just complying with the inspector requirement or taking my suggestion (just run one wire below the soil as the inspector wants and one over the concrete as the contractor wants and I'd go buy the second wire), the contractor has spent the week calling the...
  18. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Just spoke to town inspector. He insists the bonding wire must be 4-6" below the subgrade, even with concrete and pavers being poured on top of it. Doesn't make sense to me but told the contractor to just do what it takes to get past these guys.
  19. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Thanks. I'm trying to find the answer in there (as an electrical novice). Contractor says no rebar in the bond beam (use fibers to strengthen the concrete around the pool).
  20. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    I'm not aware of any history since the builder is from south jersey and not very familiar with our town. That said, the bond beam will extend 3 feet from the pool (per Blue Hawaiian requirements) and I understand the bonding wire needs to be 18-24" from the pool. So it's not clear to me we have...
  21. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Another question for the forum: Electrical inspector is insisting we have to put the loop of #8 copper wire that goes around the outside of the pool 4-6" below the current pool grade. PB insists that it sits on the surface and will then be covered by 3+ inches of concrete in the bond beam and...
  22. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Well, on hold before we can pour the bond beam now as our town electrical inspector (consistent with his reputation) failed us on the bonding wire. Reasoning seems curious as he said we are not 4-6" below grade with the bonding wire. Well, we still have to pour the bond beam on top of the...
  23. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Thanks. Not as much the cost as impervious restrictions we are thinking through. But if we have to put pavers 3' out around pool, we will and cut elsewhere.
  24. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    After a long build, we're just about up to the concrete pour (assuming we pass the trench/bonding inspection today). I had a few questions for the forum as we get up to this point: 1. Pool manufacturer wants 3 feet of bond beam around the pool for warranty purposes, so that's what we're doing...
  25. McLovitz

    Safety cover question

    He's not doing the pavers or the cover so he has no money to make or shortcut to take. Spoke to a pool guy who also said that doesn't sound right so I appreciate the confirmation.
  26. McLovitz

    Safety cover question

    We're in the middle of our build which is taking longer than it should (no surprise) and slipping into late fall in NJ. I had assumed we would measure for a safety cover as soon as the pavers are in around the pool and then cover as soon as the cover came in. However, the PB suggested to me...
  27. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    I was surprised as well but rather than negotiating the payment terms or backing away (as my instincts told me to do), I moved forward because the price was right and they were including (I thought) everything I was looking to get in my pool. The payment was made to the pool builder. I'm...
  28. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    Thx. Certainly familiar with rule #1 and we were very careful when we did a home renovation to stick to this rule. For some reason, I gave this PB my trust and violated my own rule in making a massive payment before the pool even arrived. At this point, trying to figure out the best way to get...
  29. McLovitz

    Bond beam/collar on fiberglass pool

    OK - need to know if this is me being impatient as I wait for our pool or if the PB is jerking me around and it's time to stand up to them. We signed a contract in June and got permits approved August 15th. We have had at least 4 or 5 dates for starting install from the PB and every week is...
  30. McLovitz

    South Jersey Fiberglass Install

    Following your project closely (for obvious reasons). Start the dig this morning?