3 years, that's it for Nature2/Jandy Salt Cell 1400 Series

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PoolGate

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Jandy Aquapure 1400
I am on my 3rd cell. Pool is 7+ seasons old. They seem to last right around 3 years. The original lasted 3 seasons (1 month end of the build season then 3 more full seasons) then right as the warranty was expiring (36 months) it went out and I got a free one under warranty. That one went out the end of last season (7th season). This season I got a used one from a forum member. It came USPS damaged and now has also "mostly" failed. I am running it at 100% in hopes it can keep up for the remainder of the season. I don't count this one since it came damaged. I actually used parts of the damaged cell along with plates and frame from another failed cell to jury-rig together a functional cell.

I'm getting 125 and 194 errors.

Anyone get more than 3 seasons out of these? My water parameters are perfect and always have been. I run the cells at 55% 24x7 for 6 months.

6 months = 183 days
183 days = 4380 hours
4380 hours * 55% = 2409 hours
2409 hours * 3 = 7227 total hours.

So I am below the "generally accepted" 10000 hours. Probably should get 4 seasons out of these.

Looks like I am spending $700. :mad:
 
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PoolGate said:
I run the cells at 55% 24x7 for 6 months.
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How do you not spike the FC in the early/late season ?

How is 2.8 FC per day enough in the peak season ?

A solar cover would explain #2 but make #1 even worse. :ROFLMAO:
 
Newdude said:
How do you not spike the FC in the early/late season ?

How is 2.8 FC per day enough in the peak season ?

A solar cover would explain #2 but make #1 even worse. :ROFLMAO:
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Yep - not exactly 24x7 @55% for 6 months. Beginning of the season it's less. I have never needed more than 55% even during the height of the season. Usually even with that it'll climb to FC15 and I'll shut it off for a few days for it to drift down. OEM cells over-perform. And my pool is remarkably clean.
 
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I wonder if I run it at a higher percent, but less often if the cell will last longer. For instance if I run it at 75% for 18 hours instead of 55% for 24 hours.
 
JamesW said:
Yes, I would always do this.

It should.
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I get bupkiss. I think the cell has totally failed. Voltage is there, but 0 amps. It will sit saying it is working for a few minutes then come with the above error now. I have taken the cell out a few times today to try to get it working. My jostling probably was the final straw.

This center electrode is odd. The connection from the center electrode to the plate is friction fit. It is not welded. I have not seen a cell made this way. This is the one I got used and damaged.

Voltage (both sides the same - red on center electrode and black on either side)
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Red and blue wire both show the same thing.
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194 -Cell Current is 85% lower than desired and cell voltage above 19V (generates 125 code - Cell dirty or needs replacement).
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If it is outputting the wrong voltage and not because of the cell, what is the part that I need?

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JamesW said:
It should be welded to the center plate.

It can come loose due to corrosion.

If you can pull it out, the cell has failed.
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I think the package was slammed by USPS and broke the weld. I could easily remove and put it back on the plate. I guess it worked until corrosion worked its way around the connection point. That said, perhaps if I take it apart and clean it up if it will work again. I ordered a new one but it'll be a week until it gets here.

These cells look like planned obsolescence to me. Only the center plate fails. The other plates always look good. If they made a replaceable center plate you could probably double the lifespan of these.
 
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PoolGate said:
If it is outputting the wrong voltage and not because of the cell, what is the part that I need?
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Code 194 indicates that the voltage is over 19 volts, so I am not certain why you are getting a lower number.

I suspect that the only problem is the cell.

I wonder if you could power the cell just from the outer plates?

If you want to take the risk, you can try putting voltage just to the outer terminals to see what happens.

This will essentially make it 13 plates in series vs 2 sets of 6 plates in series and the sets are in parallel.

This will drop the voltage between plates from about 5 volts to about 2.5 volts.

Note: I am not recommending that you do this and I am not sure what possible problems doing this might cause, so this is at your own risk based on your own research.
 
Interesting suggestion! I think the way it works though is the center is one lead and the 2 outers are another. So center->right and center->left both at the same time. I believe all 3 are active at the same time and my voltage test today showed voltage at all 3 electrodes. I don't think it would work it it was wired to leave the center out.

I took a cable apart once and I think the outers are connected in the plug. There is only 2 leads coming from the APUREM.
 
You would not be able to use the plug.

You could use some regular wire and connect one wire to each of the outer prongs.

I would try it as a test to see what happens.

It might actually work.

In any case, do at your own risk and based on your own research.
 

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