Sorry I figured since we moved from wiring to troubleshooting a strange new behavior, a new thread would be in order. At this point I don't really know though lol. Any ideas guys?
Wiring in black & decker vsp to pro logic with automation adapter
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As a new data point, I eliminated the pro logic panel and just touched the red wire to the black wire and it ran at 3k RPM for a minute and stopped and started just like before. I'm really scratching my head at this point.
Also, that 5v, is that AC or DC? I was getting 10v when probing it which seems a little high.
Problem, then, appears to be in the adapter. Disconnect it, reinstall the original interface, and see what the pump does, if you haven't already done so.
When running the original panel it runs just fine. But Ive gotten 2 adapter panels and they exhibit the same symptoms.
If the problem isn't with the adapters, its with the motor drive itself. Those appear to be the only options, unfortunately.
That was also replaced. Same symptoms when running on the adapter panels :/
That's a real head-scratcher...
I don't have much to add except:
-I have a Calimar pump with a Circupool automation adapter (basically the same equipment as yours) controlled by Jandy iAqualink relays and everything works fine. I don't experience the behavior that you describe.
-FWIW, I did experience an unrelated issue with the Calimar Pump (occasional E-08 undervoltage errors while the pool was running in spa mode...seems to be an issue with the drive but not 100% confirmed) and Calimar + Pool Supply Unlimited were great to work with - they sent me a replacement pump under warranty (at no charge) which has been working perfectly.
I don't have much to add except:
-I have a Calimar pump with a Circupool automation adapter (basically the same equipment as yours) controlled by Jandy iAqualink relays and everything works fine. I don't experience the behavior that you describe.
-FWIW, I did experience an unrelated issue with the Calimar Pump (occasional E-08 undervoltage errors while the pool was running in spa mode...seems to be an issue with the drive but not 100% confirmed) and Calimar + Pool Supply Unlimited were great to work with - they sent me a replacement pump under warranty (at no charge) which has been working perfectly.
Yea I just got a reply from Cody at pool parts to go and he is also stumped. I don't know what the odds would be of having two automation adapter bad back to back or even more strange an issue where it occurs every 60 seconds. It seems like there is something else at play here but I don't know what else to test at this point. We also have a freeze coming up so I can't rely on my freeze protection, I'll just have to keep the pump running all night with the standard panel. The good news is pool parts to go have been pretty responsive despite it still not being resolved.
Golf, contact tech support again at pool parts and ask them for other clients w the same configuration as yours that's working fine. See if you are able to compare notes/pics/etc to ascertain of there are any differences? What would be ideal is if you could find a pump just like yours that's working fine on the same HYwd automation system, then plug in play. That would set the control you need.
When you pulled the Hywd single speed, did you change anything else? I always take b4 and after pics to compare configurations. Just note, there is a solution here to get this to work; you just need to find it.
Finally, see if pool parts can try configuring one of your adapters on their test equipment and see what happens? There always is the chance that 2 adapters are bad, but not high probability.
Good luck and keep us posted / tstex
When you pulled the Hywd single speed, did you change anything else? I always take b4 and after pics to compare configurations. Just note, there is a solution here to get this to work; you just need to find it.
Finally, see if pool parts can try configuring one of your adapters on their test equipment and see what happens? There always is the chance that 2 adapters are bad, but not high probability.
Good luck and keep us posted / tstex
Quick update. I got my third automation adapter and it exhibited the same exact symptoms. What was strange was when I switched to wiring scheme 2 (which I don't really want to use long term) the adapter worked as it should with no restarting. I advised the guys over at poolpartstogo and they advised the following:
We're currently investigating a potential issue with our whole stock of automation adapters caused by potentially weak cold-solder joints on their board. I'm still waiting to hear back from the factory and design engineers on this but will let you know their findings just as soon as I have more information. For the time being, please use the standard keypad that came with the pump to ensure proper normal operation of the unit.
So this is reassuring as it's not me making some stupid wiring mistake or not being able to troubleshoot something properly. I just hope it gets resolved fairly quickly.
We're currently investigating a potential issue with our whole stock of automation adapters caused by potentially weak cold-solder joints on their board. I'm still waiting to hear back from the factory and design engineers on this but will let you know their findings just as soon as I have more information. For the time being, please use the standard keypad that came with the pump to ensure proper normal operation of the unit.
So this is reassuring as it's not me making some stupid wiring mistake or not being able to troubleshoot something properly. I just hope it gets resolved fairly quickly.
Wow, your experience is exactly the same as mine. Right down to getting the same response from Cody at poolpartstogo. I will add one more observation that I think you experienced as well but may not have realized it, and that is, when you manually start and stop the pump using the pump panel, and then go back to using the pool automation system (for me its Jandy AquaLink) the pump will run steady for eactly 24 hours, even with multiple automated starts and stop, but after 24 hours since the manual start/stop, the pump will do exactly what you described - cycling off and on every 60 seconds exactly. As a mechanical engineer with industrial control systems experience, I have a hard time believing this is a solder joint issue - the precise 60 second intervals and the precise 24 hour delay time tells me this is 100% a programming issue of some sort. Its as if the two systems are fighting with one another. I note that the pump panel does have its on "schedule mode" which will run the pump for a maximum setting of 24 hours. It seems like pump is to shut itself off after 24 hours and then the pool automation keeps turning it back on, and then after 1 minute, likely the shortest programming interval time, the pump panel again tries to turn the pump off because it still registers 24 hours of run time. It seems like the only way to reset this clock is to manually turn the pump on and off, and then the 24 hour clock starts all over.
I am actually renting out my home in Palm Desert California, at the moment, and I have already bothered my guests too much in helping me troubleshoot this issue. I am about to have a buddy swing by and rewire one of the relays (see photo below) to the pumps power supply so I can program the pump to be effectively rebooted once every 24 hours (basically cut all power to the pump every 24 hours) to reset the 24 hour clock so that the pump will continue to run steady in between power cycles.
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As per my earlier post, the two control systems seem to be fighting with one another, I have a one last idea to try to fix this - I would test this myself, but as I noted earlier, I have limited access to my system at the moment - you might try "un-setting" the pump panel clock, similar to when you cut power to a microwave and the display just blinks 00:00. Hopefully same thing happens to the pump panel, rather than just resetting the time to 12:00 o'clock and continue to keep time thereafter. I am thinking that this might prevent the pump from keeping track of run time and therefore not be inclined to turn down the pump after 24 hours of run time. I did try setting the "duration" time for all four speed setting to 0:00, but that didn't work unfortunately.
You are right. One of the panels seemed to work at first and when I got home the next day I noticed the symptoms had started back again as well. I don't know enough about computers to call BS on the solder joint issue but I also agree it would be a bit strange to have a mechanical issue cause something to fail so precisely IMHO. I'm glad I'm not alone in this battle and I hope someone figures it out quickly. Thanks for replying with the support.
Let me ask, did you by chance set the clock on the pump panel each time that you installed the three panels?
I know I did on some of them but I can't say for certain I did every time. Do you think that could be related? Also, have you expressed to the poolpartstogo team that it's most likely a programming issue?
So I was thinking today since there is no resolution in sight. Maybe the calimar panels are good to go and will work on these black and decker units. Maybe I can just ask for a refund and repurchase from somewhere else.
Goodness. I have the 3hp B&D and the calimar automation panel hooked up to aqualink and my pump spins up and spins down. Just hooked it up today. I did set the clock, and turning here for advice.
@Golfer2000 Had You seen any changes or found a solution since January? What is the current state?
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I got their supposedly fixed panel two days ago. Installed it last night and same issue. They want it back ASAP so they can examine it... So no resolution.Goodness. I have the 3hp B&D and the calimar automation panel hooked up to aqualink and my pump spins up and spins down. Just hooked it up today. I did set the clock, and turning here for advice.
@Golfer2000 Had You seen any changes or found a solution since January? What is the current state?