Need advice with Heat Exchanger

Gepool

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May 3, 2022
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Hello to everyone, I have installed a Pahlen Hi-Flow Titanium heat exchanger (40kW). Τhe cross-sections of the pipes are those provided by the manufacturer.

As I have a temperature sensors before and after the heat exchanger, I notice the following:
The inlet temperature of the hot water (the one that comes from the Gas Boiler) is at 70 degrees Celsius. The pool water that passes through the heat exchanger has a temperature difference of only +1.5 degrees Celsius. For example, before the heat exchanger the pool water is at 26.2C, after the heat exchanger the pool water is 27.6C, is such a small difference reasonable?

Αlso, this small temperature difference seems not to change appreciably if the hot water input range is from 60-75.
 
How big is the pool? 40kW is around 136k BTUs. While ok, that isn't a lot of heat to add to a large pool. My gas heater is 400k BTUs. Heat pumps have about the same performance and you are right at what heat pumps put out.
 
How big is the pool? 40kW is around 136k BTUs. While ok, that isn't a lot of heat to add to a large pool. My gas heater is 400k BTUs. Heat pumps have about the same performance and you are right at what heat pumps put out.
Its 135k BTU indeed. The Pool is 27.000 Liters (or 7k Gallon). So, does the temperature output seems legit? I was expecting + 3 to 5C Degrees. And seems that if the hot water inlet is at 60-75 range the performace is almost the same.
 
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Its 135k BTU indeed. The Pool is 27.000 Liters (or 7k Gallon). So, does the temperature output seems legit? I was expecting + 3 to 5C Degrees. And seems that if the hot water inlet is at 60-75 range the performace is almost the same.

What is the exhaust gas temperature (if you are able to measure it)? I use a handheld infrared instant temp gun.
 
OK, I will try to! Thank you so much for your time here, really appreciated. However, regarding my initial question, is +1.5C temp difference acceptable;

That is a good question. I think you would need to know the flow rate and stuff to figure out the efficiency of the heater. It sounds around right to me. I get like a 8-10 degree F heat rise from mine which is roughly 3x what yours is.

@mknauss might be of some help here.
 
Outlet temperature is based on BTU output of the heater, flow rate through the heater, and efficiency of the exchanger.
 
Outlet temperature is based on BTU output of the heater, flow rate through the heater, and efficiency of the exchanger.
Hello again! Here are some specs for heat exchanger (40wW, 34.393kcal, 135.000btu) and the pump (kripsol KSE100, Q=15.4 m3/h, Qmax-21.6m3/h).
Is it possible to tell me if what I am getting is OK? All the piping is φ50.

Edit 1: the hot water is at 2.0bar, it circulates through a wilo pico 30/ 1-8 boiler pump. It has a Qmax at 4.4m3/hour and i am working it at middle scale, so I guess flow rate is about 2m3/h for the hot water at 65-75 degrees Celsius.

Edit 2: I provided chat GPT with the following data:
Cold fluid flow rate: 15 cubic meters per hour
Hot fluid flow rate: 2 cubic meters per hour
Cold fluid input: 25C
Hot fluid temperature: 65
Hot fluid output: 45
assume the fluid is water and calculater the COLD fluid output temperature.

The GPT responds that using the heat exchanger equations: Tout COLD is approximately 26.331°C. (attached)
Almost the same answer was given for Hot fluid temperature of 75C
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I asked GPT: why there is no difference for Tout between 65 and 75 hot water input temperature?
GPT Reply:
The reason there's very little difference in the cold fluid output temperature between hot water input temperatures of 65°C and 75°C is primarily due to the relatively low flow rates of the hot fluid and cold fluid in this particular heat exchanger system.

In this scenario:

  • Cold fluid flow rate is 15 cubic meters per hour.
  • Hot fluid flow rate is only 2 cubic meters per hour.
When the flow rates are significantly different, the temperature change in the hot fluid has a limited effect on the cold fluid. The hot fluid has a higher temperature at the inlet, but because of its lower flow rate, it doesn't transfer as much heat to the cold fluid as it might with a higher flow rate. As a result, the difference in �out, coldTout, cold between 65°C and 75°C hot fluid input is relatively small.

To achieve a more significant change in Tput cold with varying hot fluid input temperatures, you might need to adjust the flow rates or use a more efficient heat exchanger. Higher flow rates on the hot side would increase heat transfer to the cold fluid and lead to a more noticeable difference in Tout cold with changes in hot fluid input temperature.
 
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