Still in the Planning Phase

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Glitterbub

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Jul 15, 2023
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Oklahoma
Pool Size
16000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
Still planning, wanted to run our stats here to get some opinions on equipment/setup.

Dimensions: 16x36 rectangular pool
Depth: 4/5/4 sport depth
Volume: Approximately 16k gallons
Skimmers: 2 independently plummed skimmers, one on each long side. Pool is oriented East/West with prevailing winds from the south.
Drain: Main drain 2.5"
Returns: 4 returns and 2 bubblers plummed together
Extras: 4 feature jets plummed together; automated valve

All Hayward Setup:
Salt/Automation: AQR 3400 Omni
Pump: Tri-star 2.7 HP pump
Filter: Hayward Swimclear 425 Cartridge filter;
Lighting: 4 Hayward 320 LED lights
Heater: Hayward 400k Natural Gas heater
Cleaning: Polaris 320.
Shell: Gunnite
Finish: Not sure of finish yet. Pebble Tech of Wet Edge.
 
You might consider plumbing rhe bubblers separate. You could then put a valve and actuator on it to only turn the bubblers on when you want. I have 3 automated bubblers on a large baja shelf. My toddler grandchildren like them enough that I wish I had put them on a separate pump so they could be plumes.

Constantly running bubblers that break the surface will cause a rise in the pH, although it may not be material considering other factors that cause it to rise. Any pH impact would be lessened when at low pump speeds if they don't break the surface. Then they function more like returns helping to recirculate the water in what I assume is a shallow area.
 
The polaris is a bit older technology for a cleaner. Robots will clean a bit better, plus do not need a separate booster pump like most polaris.

Since you are all Hayward, here is their lineup of Robotic Cleaners.

Robotic Pool Cleaners

www.hayward-pool.com www.hayward-pool.com
 
KevMo said:
You might consider plumbing rhe bubblers separate. You could then put a valve and actuator on it to only turn the bubblers on when you want. I have 3 automated bubblers on a large baja shelf. My toddler grandchildren like them enough that I wish I had put them on a separate pump so they could be plumes.

Constantly running bubblers that break the surface will cause a rise in the pH, although it may not be material considering other factors that cause it to rise. Any pH impact would be lessened when at low pump speeds if they don't break the surface. Then they function more like returns helping to recirculate the water in what I assume is a shallow area.
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I wanted to plumb them separately, but was avoiding the additional cost. I figured it was an easy way to tell from a distance if the pump was running. Didn't think about the pH impact. Will reconsider.

kimkats said:
Make sure to get solid model numbers for everything in writing.
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Done!

JJ_Tex said:
The polaris is a bit older technology for a cleaner. Robots will clean a bit better, plus do not need a separate booster pump like most polaris.

Since you are all Hayward, here is their lineup of Robotic Cleaners.

Robotic Pool Cleaners

www.hayward-pool.com www.hayward-pool.com
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The Polaris 360 is the version that doesn't need a booster. Agree that it is older technology, but they are workhorses. From what I've read here the robots require a little more babysitting. Don't want to worry about batteries or wires...and I can plan for a Polaris now and make the switch to robotic later.

Thanks for all the feedback- keep it coming.
 
Get the Polaris 380 + PB4-60 booster pump if you want to use a pressure side cleaner. I like my 380 cleaner. Lives in the pool cleaning it every morning and it is repairable and rebuildable.

The 360 is a poor compromise made to retrofit to pools that were not constructed with a booster pump line. It will never work as well as a booster pump driven cleaner. Especially with a VS pump run at lower speeds.
 
Glitterbub said:
Can I run at higher speeds for a short period of time?
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You can but it does not give the consistent performance a booster pump does.

What do you think you are saving by going with a 360 versus 280 or 380 + booster pump?

Glitterbub said:
Also, any concerns about filter size? I’m at 425 now but seeing a lot of people recommend 525.
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I would spend money on the booster pump versus 525.

Big difference between the 100 or 200 size filter many folks get then the 425. Less of a difference going from the 425 to 525. Once it is big enough that you only have to clean it everyb6 months to a year it doesn’t make a lot of difference. Bigger is always better with cartridge filters.
 
ajw22 said:
What do you think you are saving by going with a 360 versus 280 or 380 + booster pump?

Big difference between the 100 or 200 size filter many folks get then the 425. Less of a difference going from the 425 to 525. Once it is big enough that you only have to clean it everyb6 months to a year it doesn’t make a lot of difference. Bigger is always better with cartridge filters.
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I was thinking I was saving the cost of the pump, ongoing maintenance on the pump, and running a dedicated line.

PB has been pushing me to a robot, but I don't want to have to take it in/out every day or have the cord going across the deck.
 
Glitterbub said:
I was thinking I was saving the cost of the pump, ongoing maintenance on the pump, and running a dedicated line.
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You are bring penny wise and pound foolish.

There is no maintenance cost on the pump.

Running a dedicated line is a small cost during construction. Some PVC pipe and maybe an hour of labor to lay it.

For what you are spending on the pool it is a rounding error.
 

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ajw22 said:
You are bring penny wise and pound foolish.

There is no maintenance cost on the pump.

Running a dedicated line is a small cost during construction. Some PVC pipe and maybe an hour of labor to lay it.

For what you are spending on the pool it is a rounding error.
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Thanks for the advice. Talked to the PB and we’re doing a dedicated line.
 
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