First time pool builder and owner

mickmurph

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Jun 26, 2023
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Minnesota
Hello, TFP members! Long time Houzz user here and I have appreciated that group there so much, all who pointed me to this group of folks to help us troubleshoot a new pool build in Minnesota. We just settled on our pool builder who has a good reputation and builds a lot of pools in the Midwest. Pool will be in-ground vinyl.

We have two kids, 7 and 3 1/2 who are the primary reason we are building this pool but my husband and I are both very excited about it as well. I have wanted an in-ground pool my entire life, in spite of the short season we enjoy here in Minnesota. We figure with a good heater and an auto cover we can use the pool from May to end of September.

I'm attaching our estimate here from our pool builder and I would very much appreciate any insight/advice as to what we need, don't need, may be forgetting, etc. I'm also attaching a photo of the back of our house. The pool will run longways, parallel to the back of the house and those lilac bushes you see along the lower deck will be removed and replaced with concrete for the pool deck. The steps you see coming down from the lower deck will be moved to the opposite side to allow easier access to the pool entry steps which will be on the swingset end of the yard. This is primarily going to be a family pool that we would love for our kids to enjoy for all of their childhood and for us as we get older and entertain our friends and family.

The size is not very negotiable as our yard is a bit narrow and long so it'll be 18x40. We are leaning toward chlorine, not SWG as for some reason our daughter's eczema seems to flare anytime she swims in a salt pool, though I do know chlorine is chlorine no matter how it gets into the pool. Maybe the pools she's swimming in are just not balanced.

Biggest desires: Slide for the kids! Thinking wedding cake steps that then transition into a long full-width bench running across the 18' width of the pool which is priced in the estimate. That would be one bench, not full end steps which we were told would eat into the useable space of the pool. We don't want a big concrete jungle in our backyard so we are aiming for 3' of concrete on the long 40' sides of the pool with a bigger pool deck on each end of the 18' width for a few lounge chairs, but again, trying not to do too much concrete. We like the green, natural look of our backyard. Love the look of the natural Hamptons style pools but in Minnesota the minimum for concrete along the edges is 3' for structural purposes. We have two large decks, one that sit close to ground level as you can see in the photo so that can also be utilized for eating, lounging, etc. We do know we will need a larger concrete pad for the slide and we are okay with that.

Thinking maybe deck jets for the nice sound, or are those overrated? How about lights? Undecided on depth, but we were thinking the pool would run shallow to deep with the max depth being 6'5" of water depth under the slide area.

Huge investment for us financially and one we have been considering carefully for years. Pools aren't inexpensive in this area, and we are very nervous we're going to get this wrong.

Let me know what we might be missing and thanks in advance!
 

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We are leaning toward chlorine, not SWG
That is fine. Are you ready to add liquid chlorine, EVERY DAY, from May to September? Test each day also.
Do NOT install a Trichlor/tablet chlorinator device. Especially with a heater. If you use trichlor at all, use a floating dispenser.

Be sure to get a VS pump. Lights are up to you. Do NOT get nicheless lights. Get standard niche lights.

Thinking maybe deck jets for the nice sound, or are those overrated?
I have two. Run a total of about an hour in 8 years. I would not, especially with your freezing/winterizing requirements.

Undecided on depth, but we were thinking the pool would run shallow to deep with the max depth being 6'5" of water depth under the slide area.
If a slide, there are standards for depth, width, etc for them. Be sure that is researched. Not sure if your local municipality will have standards. Building Permit office may guide you to them.

Kids grow. So be careful of too shallow depths.
 
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If it were me, I’d test the salt theory in a bath.

1. Get a blue bag of solar water softener salt or pool salt.
2. Measure out 1 pound of the salt using a kitchen scale. (Assuming a standard 40 gallon tub)
3. Fill a bath tub with water, add the salt, and splash around to dissolve.
4. Have her take a bath.

You just made a mini salt pool (about 3000ppm salt) with clean water. If her eczema isn’t bothered by that, I see no reason why it wouldn’t be Ok in a properly balanced pool with a SWG.
 
I agree with what Marty said. I will add to remove the booster pump and cleaner and get a robot vacuum that will operate independently from your filter. Probably will cost what the builder is charging, but the robot will work MUCH better. Depth could be too shallow, especially with a slide. May want to do 4-8 feet. Your kids will grow up so fast and will be tall enough to stand in the water before you know it. I would research the salt water generator a little more. They are SO much easier to take care of a pool, and I would hate for you to miss out if the salt is NOT the reason for your daughter's health issue.

Also, did you get multiple quotes to build a pool? That estimate seems very high for what you are getting. The concrete alone stands out to me. I'm seeing $4-8/sq ft. doing a Google search, so $13/sq ft seems ridiculous. Three years ago, I got concrete for our pool build for around $3.40/sq ft.
 
That is fine. Are you ready to add liquid chlorine, EVERY DAY, from May to September? Test each day also.
Do NOT install a Trichlor/tablet chlorinator device. Especially with a heater. If you use trichlor at all, use a floating dispenser.

Be sure to get a VS pump. Lights are up to you. Do NOT get nicheless lights. Get standard niche lights.


I have two. Run a total of about an hour in 8 years. I would not, especially with your freezing/winterizing requirements.


If a slide, there are standards for depth, width, etc for them. Be sure that is researched. Not sure if your local municipality will have standards. Building Permit office may guide you to them.

Kids grow. So be careful of too shallow depths.
Thanks, mknauss! The more I've been browsing through these forms the more I've realized that SWG is the way to go. I wonder if the reason one of the pool builder's didn't argue with our choice of chlorine rather than SWG is because he wants us to get PoolStored at the Pool Store he owns. :) The pool builder we just opted to use told us that 90% of the pools they build are SWG and he was all for it, so we are going to investigate further with the advice from @magiteck and see how it goes. She is only three, and will likely grow out of her eczema regardless, but we'll try the bath trick. Pump will be VS, I'll have to double check what lights they're including. We'll skip the deck jets--had no clue about the winterizing requirements! Also now considering going 6'6" in the deep end. Thank you all!

As for price, yes, it does feel high to us too. But we have had multiple pools bid over the years and they're always in this range in this neck of the woods. @SecoSteve maybe because there isn't much business for pools in Minnesota. The concrete on another bid was $9/sq ft but all their accessories were so expensive. $6,700 on that bid for a Typhoon slide versus $4,100 for the one on our estimate with the builder we chose.
 
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Multiple threads on this site about people with eczema and other skin conditions and salt water pools - most seem to be greatly improved by it. Perhaps some part of the rest of the chemistry is out of balance that bothers her?

For your pool - the VS pump plus SWG will pay for itself in short order. Also consider getting a large filter and robot and your in season maintenance needs drop significantly. If you are building new A manual vacuum line is always good too - even if you do get a robot.

A few things we wish we did differently in our pool:
A) a standard bottom instead of play bottom. We didn’t have enough length it seems and ended up with steep slopes.
B) independently plumbed skimmers vs connected
C) shade, shade, shade….. omg we need shade now after the fact and are working on fixing that…
D) don’t plant plants with annoying little flowers (looking at you, jasmine….) that cover your pool every storm…
 
Multiple threads on this site about people with eczema and other skin conditions and salt water pools - most seem to be greatly improved by it. Perhaps some part of the rest of the chemistry is out of balance that bothers her?

For your pool - the VS pump plus SWG will pay for itself in short order. Also consider getting a large filter and robot and your in season maintenance needs drop significantly. If you are building new A manual vacuum line is always good too - even if you do get a robot.

A few things we wish we did differently in our pool:
A) a standard bottom instead of play bottom. We didn’t have enough length it seems and ended up with steep slopes.
B) independently plumbed skimmers vs connected
C) shade, shade, shade….. omg we need shade now after the fact and are working on fixing that…
D) don’t plant plants with annoying little flowers (looking at you, jasmine….) that cover your pool every storm…
Shade would be beneficial in Houston. Here in Wisconsin, I love having full sun on the pool. It’s the only way it can get comfortably warm without a heater. In Minnesota I imagine I’d want sun as well!
 
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As far as equipment and structure, are there any red flags with any of the below for an 18x40 rectangle? I need to find out if our LED lights are niche or nicheless so that is on the list of questions for our PB. They are coming to draw up our site plan today so I can post that as soon as I have it. Depth is still up in the air, we were thinking 6'6" at the deepest where the slide would go. We don't want to lose too much shallow end since we think that's where most of the adults would hang out, and I know the pool has to slant at a formulated angle to reach that 6'6" area. And then how much of the pool do we reserve for that depth?

One of our remaining questions was where to put the equipment pad and we were concerned about noise, but he said the equipment is pretty quiet. So in that case is it better to have it closer to the house and hose for accessibility?

Another pool builder who seemed a bit disgruntled scoffed at who we said we were using and said that our steps will be "springy" but I shared this with our PB and he said they build steps the same as everyone with backfill so they are solid, but sometimes the backfill settles and then you have a bit of a bouncy step situation. Other questions I should ask about this to confirm they're being built correctly?

18x40' Rectangle, 90 degree corners
Depth: 6.5' at the deep end for slide (considering Turbo Twister unless you think it would be too big for this pool size)
h2o Pool Walls: Steel 6" thick top, side, bottom braced 14 gauged galvanized inc
Liner: Vinyl inc Latham ( don't know which thickness is standard, I need to ask)
Bottom: Pool-Krete inc
Wedding cake steps with single Bench all the way across 18’ width
Footing: Heavy duty concrete bondbeam inc
Deck Support: Concrete Piers inc
Wall Foam: Protective on all steel inc
Light(s): Standard 12" diameter LED multicolor (10 colors, 5 rotation cycles) ($ 1,999.00)
Filter: Jandy 460sqft cartridge system inc
Pump: Jandy e-pump (energy efficient, quiet) inc
Heater: Jandy 260k BTU draft induced, electric ignition ($ 3,299.00)
Skimmer(s): 2 widemouth inc
Concrete skimmer to match pool deck: $600 each
Return(s): 4 total inc
Floor Drain(s): 2 anti-vortex inc
Valving: Jandy individual inc
Water Purifier: SWG
Control System: Included with SWG
Ladder(s): None, 3’ deep-end swim-out
Handrail(s): Stainless inc
Slide: Typhoon plumbed with water line installed ($ 4,499.00)
Undertrack Autocover: Coverstar undertrack system ($ 11,998.00)
Automatic Cover Lid: Concrete (extra)
Pool Coping: Concrete (extra)
Automatic Cleaner: Polaris 280t with booster pump (runs under autocover) ($ 999.00)
 
I should also add that if we spend $1,300 more we would get 3 LED lights instead of the one 12" light. I was thinking we needed more lights than just the one, but is one light enough? We don't need it to "look fancy" at night, but we do want to be able to night swim safely.
 

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The LED lights have a life expectancy of a couple years. They are pretty and you can create light shows. But budget to replace them every few years.

The single conventional light will light the pool. Two might be better.
 
Find out what that is.
Jandy is fine for equipment. If you are DIY inclined, Jandy is not the best for that. If you call an electrician to change a light bulb, you will be fine.
We are definitely DIY inclined. My husband does almost everything around our house utilizing YouTube and his tools. He is very handy. What would be the best alternative?
 
For two skimmers i like independent plumbed so you can balance them separately but it’s a personal preference it seems

Make sure they take the prevailing wind direction, if any, into account when locating skimmers
 
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Replace the Polaris with a robot - less plumbing and pumps to go wrong and can store it for the winter

Lots of threads for corded and cordless models

My 2 cents ….
 
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What will you use to fill? Manual or autofill?
Maybe I missed it….
A hose? :) is that the question? I am so clueless on pools that please excuse if this is a very dumb question. Do most people fill another way? There is always the option to truck in water but I imagine it would cost a fortune and my husband is all about DIY. I imagine the chemicals are harder to get right when filling with a hose but he will be up for the challenge unless this is crazy.
 

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