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Ok so I am starting up a new Pentair EasyTouch control system. It is going to control a Whisperflo VST filter pump, Polaris BP4-60 booster pump for cleaner, Intellichlore SWG, and MasterTemp250 heater.

I am sure I might have some additional question but so far.

1. Have the date and time set correctly :)

B1. Changed the circuit name of Aux 1 to “cleaner” and the circuit function to “Master cleaner”.
B2. I am assuming I now program the run times to the circuit and it follows the master cleaner logic during those run times?

C. I am not there yet but the heater and the SWG are wired to the load side of the filter pump relay. Anything to be aware of as I start to program any function around these items? I know the SWG you can control locally on the unit as well as the panel.

D. Since it is a VSP I have the pump motor wired to the Line side of the Filter Pump relay. Anything to know here? I am assuming I just follow the pump manual and set the speeds in the pump and then set to allow control panel to start and stop. Any tips on finding good running speed set points?

E. Any other tips so far?
 

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The Easytouch will control the pump via RS485. Be sure to have the system powered off when you hook up that cable.
The pump screen should show Display Not Active when the ET is controlling the pump .
 
TX,

You do not set the speeds in the pump, you set them the EasyTouch via ScreenLogic.

You cannot control the SWCG locally when it is connected to the EasyTouch.

You have the 2 pin relay connections labeled as "Not used".. if you don't use them the relay will never operate.

Not sure if you have an actuators in your system to move Jandy valves or not???

If you don't have ScreenLogic on your PC, do it now, as it is 10 x easier to program using the PC vs. you phone.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
TX Pool said:
C. I am not there yet but the heater and the SWG are wired to the load side of the filter pump relay. Anything to be aware of as I start to program any function around these items?
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They will only be active when in POOL/SPA modes. If other circuits run your pump when not in POOL mode the heater and SWG will not be on. You should schedule POOL mode to be running anytime anoy other circuit is running.

TX Pool said:
I know the SWG you can control locally on the unit as well as the panel.
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SWG % can only be controlled through the ET and not locally on th cell.

TX Pool said:
D. Since it is a VSP I have the pump motor wired to the Line side of the Filter Pump relay. Anything to know here? I am assuming I just follow the pump manual and set the speeds in the pump and then set to allow control panel to start and stop. Any tips on finding good running speed set points?
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Marty commented about needing the RS-485 connection and the pump saying Display Not Active.

With the ET controlling he pump you do NOTHING on the pump control head when the ET is in AUTO mode.

When the ET is in SERVICE mode it releases the local pump control and then you can control the pump from its local keypad.

You set all pump speeds in the ET and not the pump.

Do you have Screenlogic?
 
TX Pool said:
C. I am not there yet but the heater and the SWG are wired to the load side of the filter pump relay. Anything to be aware of as I start to program any function around these items?
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You might want to wire the heater to a separate circuit breaker from the pump.

The heater should not be wired to a relay, but directly to a circuit breaker. The EasyTouch/MasterTemp combo has its own 2-wire circuit for controlling the heater. You connect the "Fireman's Switch" (sometimes just called "Ext Switch") on the heater to the dedicated Gas Heater connection (J30) on the ET. See page 17 of the ET installation manual.
 
Rocket J Squirrel said:
The heater should not be wired to a relay, but directly to a circuit breaker.
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That is not what manufacturers recommend. You can go either way.

The thinking is to power the heater from the same CB as the pump. If the pump CB trips it shuts down the pump and the CB.

Yes, the heater pressure switch should shutdown the heater in case of no flow. But like we recommend the flow switch int he SWG should be the secondary safety, the same thinking applies to the pressure switch in the heater.

There is no downside in having the heater powered through the LOAD side of the filter/pump relay and some additional safety.
 
ajw22 said:
The thinking is to power the heater from the same CB as the pump. If the pump CB trips it shuts down the pump and the CB [guessing you meant to say heater].

There is no downside in having the heater powered through the LOAD side of the filter/pump relay and some additional safety.
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The downside is if the heater trips the shared CB for whatever reason, the pump loses power also, which could have consequences.
 
@Jimrahbe thanks for the comment on the "two pin" connectors and the relays. I must have missed that part and thought the relays where the power was connected were already connected to the control system and I just had to wire the power. I did not realize I had to plug that little red two pin that was wired to power relay to the two pin spot on the control board. I just went and plugged the two pin off the filter pump and Aux 1 to the corresponding pins on the board.

@ajw22 and @Rocket J Squirrel do you have to connect any controls on the heater to the system or can I always control locally on the heater (firemans switch or other). TBH this control system is a little more than I really need and I want the functions to remotely monitor my system and will not control or turn on the heater remotly. I am still reading the manual and I cannot tell if the EasyTouch and "control" the MasterTemp or if the EasyTouch only makes sure the filter pump is "running" when the heater is "running".

Thanks to all for the comments and I will read them again tonight and post any additional comments or questions.
 
TX Pool said:
@ajw22 and @Rocket J Squirrel do you have to connect any controls on the heater to the system or can I always control locally on the heater (firemans switch or other).
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Either you have the firemans switch connected to the ET and the ET controls the heater.

Or you do not make any firemans switch or RS-485 connection from the heater to the ET and you control the heater from the heater control panel.

TX Pool said:
TBH this control system is a little more than I really need and I want the functions to remotely monitor my system and will not control or turn on the heater remotly.
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I do not know why you woudl want to control the heater locally and not use the ET controls.

TX Pool said:
I am still reading the manual and I cannot tell if the EasyTouch and "control" the MasterTemp or if the EasyTouch only makes sure the filter pump is "running" when the heater is "running".
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The ET has its own water temperature sensor and turns the heater on and off as necessary using the firemans switch to heat to your set point on the ET.

The ET does not know if the filter pump is running when the heater is running other then by the way you have your high voltage relays set to power the pump and heater.
 

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ajw22 said:
The ET does not know if the filter pump is running when the heater is running other then by the way you have your high voltage relays set to power the pump and heater.
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This is why it is good to have the ET control the heater, @TX Pool. The ET won't allow the heater to run unless the filter pump is running.
 
Rocket J Squirrel said:
This is why it is good to have the ET control the heater, @TX Pool. The ET won't allow the heater to run unless the filter pump is running.
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The heater has a pressure switch that should prevent the heater from running when the pump is not running. But a pressure switch is prone to various failure modes.
 
Ok that all makes sense on the heater. TBH I wanted to just get the pool up and running first and make sure what I have done worked so if I need to trouble shoot I did not have too much going on.

And success!!!! Thank you TFP!!!

1. Cover off
2. Pool cleaned.
3. PH adjusted
4. Water shocked
5. Filter pump running
6. Booster pump running.

I just have it in service mode and have pump running manually and then will program them next. Once I get the water stable I will add the salt and get the SWG running.

On the pump any tips or tricks to figure out good speeds for the three settings? I was just going to play around a little and figured there was no “correct” setting and just had to see what worked best for the pool. I did not the CF clean pressure at two different speeds so I can use once I get my final settings.
 
Please create your signature with details of your pool and equipment. It will help anyone who comes by tryingt o help you.

What model pump do you have?

Try 1500RPM, 1800 RPM, 2400 RPM for your initial speeds.
 
ajw22 said:
Please create your signature with details of your pool and equipment. It will help anyone who comes by tryingt o help you.

What model pump do you have?

Try 1500RPM, 1800 RPM, 2400 RPM for your initial speeds.
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I will have to look and see how to add the info to my signature and will to that tonight.

Pentair WhisperFlo VST Variable Speed Pool Pump No 011533
 
I have been playing with the pump and at different speeds and I assume the following:
1. The min speed needs to be the speed that gets enough water through the heater and enough flow is coming out of the jets.
2. This min speed could be different when I am running the heater bypass as not as much water is going through the heater.
3. The max speed or a higher speed just gets the pool clean faster through turn over.
 
You can use Pool Heater Active Circuit Function and the pump will ramp up to the desired rpm to make the heater run when the pool calls for heat.
 
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Jimrahbe said:
TX,

You do not set the speeds in the pump, you set them the EasyTouch via ScreenLogic.

You cannot control the SWCG locally when it is connected to the EasyTouch.

You have the 2 pin relay connections labeled as "Not used".. if you don't use them the relay will never operate.

Not sure if you have an actuators in your system to move Jandy valves or not???

If you don't have ScreenLogic on your PC, do it now, as it is 10 x easier to program using the PC vs. you phone.

Thanks,

Jim R.
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@Jimrahbe I am going to install the screen logic on my computer tonight as I only currently have some it on my own. Have you seen any other thread that talk about how to program the east touch to control the Whisperflow VST and also program the intellechlor and booster cleaner pump so they only run when the filter pump is running? I have everything installed and it’s running in manual mode (I have the pump speeds programmed at the pump interface and same with the intellichlore and have just been manually pushing the cleaner button to turn on the relay, and the panel is set in service). I just have not quite yet figured out how to now set the program so the control panel starts / stops the filter pump, turns on and off the cleaner and booster, and makes sure the filter pump is interlocked with those to items.
 
TX,

Once you get it on your PC, I think you will find it more intuitive.

Step one is to know what each of your relays controls..

The following set up page gives you an view of how the Circuit, Circuit Name, and Circuit Function relate to each other.


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The next page is how you assign a speed to each Circuit..


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Set up page 4.JPG



This page is how you Schedule.. I suggest that you use 8 am until 8 am (24/7) as you get things ironed out.


Spa heater set up1.png

Spa heater set up1.png



There are plenty of people here that can help.. Just start asking specific questions.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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As I read how you are managing it now, it seems like your VS pump may be wired incorrectly to the Filter/Pump relay. Be sure it is wired to the LINE side.
 

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