Recommend Pentair Control Panel??

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Sahmad786

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My PB is putting in a Pentair Intelitouch i9+3. Will this be sufficient to add an additional Aux relay for a gcfi 110 outlet for my Stenner pump?

Is this a good control panel?

when I asked about the InteliCenter they said it's almost double the price... should I press for this?

I have one water feature, a spa, 8 lights in the pool and 1 light in the spa, 3 variable pumps...I think that is about it.

Thank you,
 
Sahmad786 said:
when I asked about the InteliCenter they said it's almost double the price... should I press for this?
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My quick answer is yes, but without the actual price, or "double", it could be different. The ntellicenter is the newest, best automation you can get from Pentair. So many options, so easy to use, and a lot of support around here for that. You wont see a lot of Intelitouch discussions, but a lot of experts here on the Intellicenter. With your setup, Intellicenter is a great choice.
 
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The IntelliTouch is a 20 year old system that will never be updated by Pentair. It was a fine system in its time.

What specific pumps and lights are you getting?

I would prefer the IntelliCenter. But then I will not buy a 20 year old car simply because it is half the price.
 
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gingrbredman said:
My quick answer is yes, but without the actual price, or "double", it could be different. The ntellicenter is the newest, best automation you can get from Pentair. So many options, so easy to use, and a lot of support around here for that. You wont see a lot of Intelitouch discussions, but a lot of experts here on the Intellicenter. With your setup, Intellicenter is a great choice.
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Thank you for your reply. Based on my setup, is there a specific benefit I will see with the InteliCenter? They will include the screen logic interface.
 
ajw22 said:
The IntelliTouch is a 20 year old system that will never be updated by Pentair. It was a fine system in its time.

What specific pumps and lights are you getting?

I would prefer the IntelliCenter. But then I will not buy a 20 year old car simply because it is half the price.
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Thank you for your reply. They are 7 microbrite lights in the pool and 1 in the spa.

I will have 3 water pumps. One for the spa, one for the pool and one for the water feature.

There will be a heater as well.

Based on my equipment, my PB said that the Intelitouch i9+3 is more then sufficient and the extra cost isn't worth it. There is no additional benefit to have the InteliCenter for my setup.

Any insight to this? Thank you
 
What model pumps?

What model heater?

As an example the IntelliTouch will not interface with the RS-485 connection and diagnostics of the new connected MasterTemp heater.

If you don't know what you are missing you will not see a benefit.

Once you get your pool running and come here and ask why can't you do X like you read other people can with their equipment and the answer may be because Pentair updated their IntelliCenter and your IntelliTouch cannot be updated. Your IntelliTouch will be stuck in the past while Pentair updates the IntelliCenter.

How long do you plan on keeping this pool?
 
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786,

The new IntelliCenter is not double the cost of an IntelliTouch plus ScreenLogic. He is giving you those prices because he wants to sell you what he knows.

The i9+3 sells for about $3,300 including ScreenLogic. How much is he charging you??

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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Jimrahbe said:
786,

The new IntelliCenter is not double the cost of an IntelliTouch plus ScreenLogic. He is giving you those prices because he wants to sell you what he knows.

The i9+3 sells for about $3,300 including ScreenLogic. How much is he charging you??

Thanks,

Jim R.
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He said it's around $5k...
 
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What model pumps?

What model heater?

As an example the IntelliTouch will not interface with the RS-485 connection and diagnostics of the new connected MasterTemp heater.

If you don't know what you are missing you will not see a benefit.

Once you get your pool running and come here and ask why can't you do X like you read other people can with their equipment and the answer may be because Pentair updated their IntelliCenter and your IntelliTouch cannot be updated. Your IntelliTouch will be stuck in the past while Pentair updates the IntelliCenter.

How long do you plan on keeping this pool?
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Here is my equipment...really appreciate your response to this. 3 water pumps, heater and a 520 cartridge filter Will the Intelitouch not be able to communicate with my heater for daignosing?
 

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Sahmad786 said:
He said it's around $5k...
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Check this price...

Pentair IntelliTouch i9+3 Pool & Spa Control System

www.polytecpools.com

Against this...


Except right now they are out of stock and don't show prices.

But note that the IntelliCenter bundle includes the SWG Power Center and cell which the IntelliTouch does not.

So I am not sure your builder is quoting an apples to apples price when he says the IC is $5K more. It could include the SWG system in the price.
 
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Does your heater have fine buttons on the keypad or six buttons?

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What are your three pumps for?
 
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The 015583 pumps are not variable speed.

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ajw22 said:
Check this price...

Pentair IntelliTouch i9+3 Pool & Spa Control System

www.polytecpools.com

Against this...


Except right now they are out of stock and don;t show prices.

But note that the IntelliCenter bundle includes the SWG Power Center and cell which the IntelliTouch does not.

So I am not sure your builder is quoting an apples to apples price when he says the IC is $5K more. It could include the SWG system in the price.
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Sorry, to answer your question, I will be keeping this pool (brand new build) for ar least 15 years.
Just wondering with the equipment I posted above of, if the Intelitouch i9 is sufficient enough. My PB just told me the icenter is not in stock and waiting on one will push by build completion date off ...and we are almost at plastering after being 10 months in since dig date
 
ajw22 said:
Check this price...

Pentair IntelliTouch i9+3 Pool & Spa Control System

www.polytecpools.com

Against this...


Except right now they are out of stock and don;t show prices.

But note that the IntelliCenter bundle includes the SWG Power Center and cell which the IntelliTouch does not.

So I am not sure your builder is quoting an apples to apples price when he says the IC is $5K more. It could include the SWG system in the price.
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Sorry, to answer your question, I will be keeping this pool (brand new build) for ar least 15 years.
Just wondering with the equipment I posted above of, if the Intelitouch i9 is sufficient enough. My PB just told me the icenter is not in stock and waiting on one will push by build completion date off ...and we are almost at plastering after being 10 months in since dig date. Here are the heater buttons.

Variable is for the pool, the 2 whisper flo is for the spa and water feature.
 

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Yup, you have the new "Connected" heater that does some nice diagnostics tricks through its RS-485 link with the IntelliCenter.

I would have put in more then a 1.1 HP pump for spa jets.

How many spa jets do you have?

I would wait for the IntelliCenter.

Just be aware that over the next 10 years peoples equipment with the INtelliCenter will be able to do things your IntelliTouch will not do. You need to decide if you care.
 
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ajw22 said:
Yup, you have the new "Connected" heater that does some nice diagnostics tricks through its RS-485 link with the IntelliCenter.

I would have put in more then a 1.1 HP pump for spa jets.

How many spa jets do you have?

I would wait for the IntelliCenter.

Just be aware that over the next 10 years peoples equipment with the INtelliCenter will be able to do things your IntelliTouch will not do. You need to decide if you care.
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This is how many spa jets. Sorry, I don't know what is what exactly.

So with the Intelitouch I won't be able to run diagnostics with my heater where as with the InteliCenter, I will be? Is there a specific version/model I should request for the InteliCenter?

Thank you again!
 

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This is how many spa jets. Sorry, I don't know what is what exactly.
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I can't tell how many jets you have from that pic.

If you are disappointed in the massage pressure you get from the spa jets it will likely be due to the 1.1 HP pump.

This is the GPM you need from each jet for the type of pressure.

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So with the Intelitouch I won't be able to run diagnostics with my heater where as with the InteliCenter, I will be?
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All the diagnostics and errors will be on the MasterTemp display outside and not shown on your IntelliTouch panels or I think your app.

You should check with Pentair as the connected heater is new and we have not seen anyone with it connected to an IntelliTouch.

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Is there a specific version/model I should request for the InteliCenter?
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You want the IntelliCenter bundle with the Integrated Intellichlor Power Center, IC40 cell, and IntelliValves.

How many gallons will be in your pool?

Will your 8 linghts all be on one control? Or how do you want the lights to be grouped to be individually controlled?
 
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Here is the flow curve for your 015583 pump...

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You will get 60-80 GPM of flow from it.

I can't tell if you have 6 or 8 jets. If you have 6 jets you may get 10 GPM and with 8 jets maybe less.

10 GPM will give you a weak to moderate jet feeling depending on the jet size. Hardly what I would expect from a spa "jet".

I would ;like 15-20 GPM of flow from a spa jet.

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ajw22 said:
I can't tell how many jets you have from that pic.

If you are disappointed in the massage pressure you get from the spa jets it will likely be due to the 1.1 HP pump.

This is the GPM you need from each jet for the type of pressure.

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All the diagnostics and errors will be on the MasterTemp display outside and not shown on your IntelliTouch panels or I think your app.

You should check with Pentair as the connected heater is new and we have not seen anyone with it connected to an IntelliTouch.



You want the IntelliCenter bundle with the Integrated Intellichlor Power Center, IC40 cell, and IntelliValves.

How many gallons will be in your pool?

Will your 8 linghts all be on one control? Or how do you want the lights to be grouped to be individually controlled?
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It's about 18k gallons. The 7 lights in the pool and the 1 light in the spa will be controlled be grouped as one.

I'll call Pentair to see if the Intelitouch can remotely connect to the heater.

Such a hard decision.... delay my build even further and stick with the Intelitouch.
 

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