Troubleshooting Salt level readings very low on brand-new Hayward SWCG cell

Abnaxis

Well-known member
Jun 28, 2021
97
Indiana
Pool Size
6500
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
I have an in-ground pool I got with my new house, in which I inherited an Aqualogic SWCG. The salt-cell itself had been taken out (because it froze and shattered over the winter), but I just got it replaced yesterday, with a GLX-CELL-5 model.

Since the replacement, the system has been giving me "Low Salt" errors, with a salt level that very much disagrees with what I measure using my K-1766 test kit. To make sure I wasn't messing up the test I sent a sample to the company that installed the thing for them to test the salt, and sure enough--the salt level they read was 1710ppm, my reading was 1800, and the display board for the AquaLogic says 700ppm.

I asked the company to fix it, and they dumped a bag of salt in the pool (without asking first) and did nothing for the readings. Now I read about 2800ppm on the K-1766 but the cell says 1200ppm. Incidentally, this is not the first time the installer have added stuff to the pool without asking me first--I had more-than-SLAM levels of chlorine in my pool for about two days because they dumped a gallon of chlorine in when they did the installations :mad:

The TL;DR of all the above is--my salt reading in the cell are significantly lower than the ground truth and I don't trust the installers to handle it so I'm going to wind up fixing it myself. I found the troubleshooting guide from the TFP wiki here, which gives me a couple ideas of how to fix it. I'm making this post to 1) sanity check my plans, and 2) document for other people who run into the same problem.

An easy elimination is that the salt cell is calcified--it's a brand new cell, after all. That doesn't eliminate the possibility of a faulty cell, but at least it's a start.

First plan is to unlock the configuration menu and make sure the thing is configured right. Given just how far the measurements are off, I don't think this is an "Instant average salt level" issue--from what I can tell from the troubleshooting guide, this is supposed to re-calibrate drifts in measurement that happen due to large swings in chemistry or cell degradation, it's not supposed to correct for >2x differentials between measured and actual levels. A difference that big seems more like installer error to me, especially since the voltage/amp readings are negative so I think the stupid thing has wires flipped (the controller seems smart enough to deal with it, but it annoys me when professionals don't bother to do the little things right). Heck they even gave me a little sheet that says the board "doesn't need configured" which I find...dubious given the relative ages of the board and the cell.

After checking configuration, I'll try to adjust the "instant salt level" alluded to above., and see where it goes from there. The issue with this is, the K-1766 measures salt in low resolution and I would prefer to narrow down my uncertainty to less than +/-200ppm it is by default if I'm using it as a gold standard for calibrating my SWCG board. I'm guessing I can just use a larger sample (say, 20 or 40mL) and get more accurate results? This step SHOULD have been done as part of the installation if that's the issue, but well...

I'll update here once I get the thing sorted.
 

It sounds to me like the controller thinks your cell is a different size. Take a look through the article above and run the diagnostics.

EDIT -- I did not see Aqualogic. That is for an above ground pool. Are you sure it is that model?

EDIT EDIT -- Too many Aqua*** whatevers. JamesW below has it figured out ------
 
Last edited:

It sounds to me like the controller thinks your cell is a different size. Take a look through the article above and run the diagnostics.

EDIT -- I did not see Aqualogic. That is for an above ground pool. Are you sure it is that model?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about it maybe being a controller/cell mismatch. That's why the first place I want to look is in the configurations menu.

Aqualogic is what it says on the panel. Also, any time I see the cell model (GLX-Cell-5) listed in product tables it says its for above-ground pools. I'd assumed that was just because the cell was possibly the wrong cell, not because the whole panel is wrong.

Sigh...the entire system is completely the wrong model, isn't it? :mad:

What's the actual consequence of using an above-ground chlorinator in an in-ground pool?
 
Sigh...the entire system is completely the wrong model, isn't it? :mad:

What's the actual consequence of using an above-ground chlorinator in an in-ground pool?
AquaLogic is for inground pools.

AquaTrol is for above ground pools.

The AquaLogic can take a T-5 or a T-15.

The T-15 would be a better choice, but a T-5 will work for you.

Just change the cell type to T-5 and the salt should read correctly.

1630596188286.png
 
I suspect I have a raging case of versionitis

According to my panel, it's supposed to have a "T-CELL-5 ONLY" plugged into it (I suspect it wouldn't work with a T-15). Moreover, there is no Chlor. Config menu in the configuration section of the controller--only Chlorinator enable/disable.

Furthermore, nowhere in the panel or on any of the boards inside the panel, do the words "Hayward" appear. I think this controller is a AquaLogic controller from back before Hayward bought Goldline. Combined with the fact that it says right on the salt cell that I'm supposed to configure the salt cell in the controller before plugging the cell in to "avoid improper operation" makes me think the board is just too old for the cell to work with it without at least a firmware update.

I got the PN off the board while I had the cover off (looking to see if there was something like a T-5/T-15 DIP switch since it's old, Goldline PN: 066008G-1 Rev G), I'm going to look it up and see if my suspicions are correct.
 
Ugh. I'm coming up empty on finding literally anything about old Aqualogic controllers on Hayward's web site. There's got to be a compatibility matrix for salt cell/control board versions somewhere out there...
 

Enjoying this content?

Support TFP with a donation.

Give Support
Was the old cell a T-5 or a T-15?

Return the T-5 and get a T-15.

The chart says that a T-5 is compatible for all revisions.

If there is not a setting in the configuration menu, there should be a jumper on the board.
 
Go to the diagnostic screen, note the readings and then press the + button to reverse the polarity.

When the new numbers appear, see what they are.

Then, press + again and note the new readings.
 
Do you have a close up picture of the whole circuit board?

I'll see about getting one later today, when I go to measure the jumper leads

Can you show the model and serial number from the door label?

AQL-P-4-X289

I already tried Googling that one before I even started posting and got nowhere

The only thing that I see that looks like a jumper is the J12 pin set.

Does anything pull off of those pins?

I saw those pins too. I'm still mid-move, but I can check when I get the chance to dig my meter out of a box, and I'll make sure to get a picture while I'm testing.

Was the old cell a T-5 or a T-15?

Return the T-5 and get a T-15.

The chart says that a T-5 is compatible for all revisions.

If there is not a setting in the configuration menu, there should be a jumper on the board.

I think the construction company took away the old cell when they did the work. I'm like 80% certain it was a T-5.

Go to the diagnostic screen, note the readings and then press the + button to reverse the polarity.

When the new numbers appear, see what they are.

Then, press + again and note the new readings.

Reversed the polarity, reading still say 1200ppm.

Is that the "Average" salinity or the "Instant" salinity?

Instant salinity. Saving the instant to average doesn't help, because the instant is reading wrong.
 

Enjoying this content?

Support TFP with a donation.

Give Support
Thread Status
Hello , This thread has been inactive for over 60 days. New postings here are unlikely to be seen or responded to by other members. For better visibility, consider Starting A New Thread.