Lost communication only on first scheduled speed

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Hi, hopefully someone can help and tell me what’s going on here.
We have installed easytouch pl8, screenlogic and Intelliflo VSF pump, scheduled 3 speed as follow:
5-8am cleaner with 2600 rpm,
8:10-10:55 high speed 2200rpm,
11:00 - 10:00 pm pool on low rpm, in the morning I’ll wake up and see power outage alarm and communication lost message, but 11am schedule starts normally for the pool setup...
so only in the morning when cleaner wants to kick in, turns off the easytouch and I have to turn on manually.

sorry I’m new to forum and first time pool owner... trying to figure out. please let me know if need more details and information.

also I have called two different pool service (listed on Pentair site) came in and change schedule, renamed circuits... but the same thing.

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

I suspect that the idiot that wired your EasyTouch wired the power to the IntelliFlo through your pump/filter relay.. The IntelliFlo should get constant AC power.

Go out to the main panel and put it in the Service mode.. Your "F" filter relay light should be off, but your pump should still have power. If the pump's display is blank, then the pump is wired wrong.

Show us a couple of pics of your EasyTouch showing the circuit breakers and relays..

Thanks,

Jim R.

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Jim, going in service mode did turn off the pump completely and nothing on pumps display

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Also previously cleaner was setup on 3 hours egg timer, 2nd person changed it and assigned to a valve and still not working, I can turn it on manually but works with pump speed not with what’s assigned to.
What is the right setup/function for high speed and cleaner.

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

To fix your problem, go to the pump/filter relay.. It is the one in the top left of the cabinet..

Find the red and black wires that go to your pump. They are currently on the load side of the relay.. Just move them to the Line side of the relay.

This will bypass the relay and provide constant power to the IntelliFlo.

Thanks,

Jim R.

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

Tell me more about your "cleaner".. What kind of cleaner do your have? A Suction side cleaner, or a Pressure side cleaner, or an In-floor (pop up heads) cleaner??

Show me more pics of your equipment pad.

Thanks,

Jim R.

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Thank you Jim for all the help and quick responses, we just finish redoing the pool plumbing and replastering, now the cleaner is suction side and I was complaining to installer because it was running with skimmer all day long, so I requested intellivalve to separate the skimmer and vacuum for 3 hours only on high speed.

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

Just so I am clear.. You have a pipe from your skimmer back to the equipment pad and you have a vac port on the wall of your pool back to the equipment pad. And you have an IntelliValve that is supposed to select between the vac port and the skimmer.. Is that true.

How is it working now? Does the valve move when you change between the cleaner mode and the skimmer mode?

It the pic of the IntelliValve the one that is supposed to switch between the vac port and the skimmer?

Can you manually move the valve and make it work the way you want?

Do you have ScreenLogic on your PC? It is much easier to use the PC to troubleshoot.

I noticed that your pump filter relay controls two things.. One is the IntelliFlo, which is wrong.. But what is the other thing? Do you have some kind of single speed pump, SWCG, or ????

Thanks,

Jim R.

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

You should really move up from the 1960's technology and into this Century.. I use and recommend a robot cleaner that does not use the pool pump at all..

Like this...

Thanks,

Jim R.

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Looks like with switching pump wires from load to line did take care of all!
cleaner and high speed settings working properly with the speeds they are set.
And yes intellivalve changes from skimmer to vac when I turn it on, and it’s set for 3 hours vacuuming.
So hopefully tomorrow morning everything will work on schedule.
Also Yes I do have a separate pumps for spa jets/blower on different circuit and another pump for deck jets also different relay.
The other two wires on pump relay is going to Heater. Shouldn’t be there?

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

I wish I knew about Dolphin I would of gone that route, instead of spending on Intellivalve and the suction vac. Lol maybe next year...

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

There is no real reason to have the heater's AC power run through the pump/filter relay. It won't hurt anything, but just does not make any sense to me.

It sounds like everything is up and running, so that is great. :thumleft:

If not, let me know and I'll try and point you in the right direction..

Kind of makes you wonder how the two places you had come and redo your system can stay in business... :scratch:

Thanks,

Jim R.

mknauss · Oct 30, 2020

Hat65 said:
5-8am cleaner with 2600 rpm,
8:10-10:55 high speed 2200rpm,
11:00 - 10:00 pm pool on low rpm

From the above, does your pump turn off at 8am, start again at 8:10am, turn off at 10:55 am, and start again at 11:00 am?

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

Not exactly how I would have programmed it.. Duh!! :mrgreen:

Jim R.

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Thanks again Jim for all the help, 11:00 am setup was working before, now I have to wait until tomorrow morning to see the other two will come on or not.

Also I was wondering myself how do they run business, lol
Specially 2nd person that was Pentair certified too and recommended by them, after looking at few stuff left to talk to Pentair and get an advise, but it has been a few days and hasn’t return and not answering my calls.

One last thing for now, what would you have done differently about the program? Considering it’s about 30k gallon pool

Thanks

Jimrahbe · Oct 30, 2020

65,

What I like to do is set the Pool circuit speed for the lowest speed I ever want to run. I would not use GPM, but some low RPM like 1200 or so.. Sometimes mixing GPM and RPM can cause programming issues.

Then I would schedule "Pool" to be on for the entire time I want the pump to run..

Then schedule whatever you want on when you need it.. Never shutting off the "Pool" means the pump never has to shut off, just change speeds.

As an example..

Pool at 1200 RPM on at 5 am and off at 10 pm -- Pump runs at 1200 RPM..
Cleaner on at 5:10 am and off at 8 am (No egg-timer needed here) Pump increases speed to 2600 RPM at 5:10 and goes back to 1200 at 8 am.
High Speed on at 8:10 am and off at 10:55 am --- Pump runs at 2250 RPM from 8:10 until 10:55 when it goes back to 1200 RPM.
The pump will continue to run at 1200 RPM until 10 pm..

You only need to run your pump to accomplish something.. Running the cleaner makes sense..

Unless you have a SWCG and need to run a long time to generate chlorine, you really only need to run long enough to allow your skimmers to work..

For some folks this is only a couple of hours a day, for other it is longer. It is a personal choice on how you want your pool to look.

What is the purpose of your "High Speed" circuit??

Thanks,

Jim R.

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

mknauss said:
From the above, does your pump turn off at 8am, start again at 8:10am, turn off at 10:55 am, and start again at 11:00 am?

5:00 am vacuuming until 8:00am(2600rpm),
8:10am to 10:55am skimmer (2200rpm),
11:00 am to 10:00pm just on low speed 1500rpm(1500rpm)

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Jimrahbe said:
65,

What I like to do is set the Pool circuit speed for the lowest speed I ever want to run. I would not use GPM, but some low RPM like 1200 or so.. Sometimes mixing GPM and RPM can cause programming issues.

Then I would schedule "Pool" to be on for the entire time I want the pump to run..

Then schedule whatever you want on when you need it.. Never shutting off the "Pool" means the pump never has to shut off, just change speeds.

As an example..

Pool at 1200 RPM on at 5 am and off at 10 pm -- Pump runs at 1200 RPM..
Cleaner on at 5:10 am and off at 8 am (No egg-timer needed here) Pump increases speed to 2600 RPM at 5:10 and goes back to 1200 at 8 am.
High Speed on at 8:10 am and off at 10:55 am --- Pump runs at 2250 RPM from 8:10 until 10:55 when it goes back to 1200 RPM.
The pump will continue to run at 1200 RPM until 10 pm..

You only need to run your pump to accomplish something.. Running the cleaner makes sense..

Unless you have a SWCG and need to run a long time to generate chlorine, you really only need to run long enough to allow your skimmers to work..

For some folks this is only a couple of hours a day, for other it is longer. It is a personal choice on how you want your pool to look.

What is the purpose of your "High Speed" circuit??

Thanks,

Jim R.

I did change all to rpm since our last conversation, figured out with combination of what I have set it will turn the water in the pool (to be exact 28k gallon) at least once during the day.
High speed is mostly for cleaning the debris from surface (skimmer) also moves the water from spa/spillway. If I don’t set it I need to run the low longer to get 28k gallon or raise it.

also interesting fact and haven’t been able to find it myself, I don’t know if it’s True or not, someone told me to set VSF intelliflo always to GPM, since it will auto adjust the RPM to always run desired GOM. For example if the filters or pump basket is clogged it will ramp up the RPM itself to get the set GPM. But since everything is new and I check on it daily for now I did set all back to RPM.

mknauss · Oct 30, 2020

Does your pump turn off between your scheduled functions? As Jim said, you set a base RPM for Pool, then use Feature Circuits to schedule different functions. There is no need for the pump to turn off and on between your schedules.

Also, Turnover is a myth. You can most likely reduce your pump run time significantly. Up to you. How do you chlorinate the pool water?

Hat65 · Oct 30, 2020

Yes it does turn off for couple minutes to not overlap and starts again...that’s what I’ve been told and read.
All these and pool is new to me and just learning about it. In Oregon we didn’t need pool and just moved to CA and have a pool here !!! Lol
I will try to set the schedule that way, since it makes more sense to run it constantly and change the speed and function only... hope all is wired correctly, fingers crossed.

thanks again

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