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I have a sport style pool with 5 foot depth at the center - I would be unhappy with it shallower than that. If I had a extra (bell) section like you do I would have gone to around a maximum of 6 feet there - I like to jump into water that is deeper, but I didn't want a true deep end pool. Yours kind of lends itself to a hybrid of the 2 types.

Something I have started doing is some water exercises to work on a injured leg (not getting any younger unfortunately) - the 5ft depth is just barely deep enough to do water running with a float.
 
jimmythegreek said:
so you are going to take a composite wall panel pool and use no liner and spray aquabrite/ecofinish
on it for the finish?

I still say you are going to regret not having a deeper end when the kids get older. you have a BIG pool and plenty of room to play games and utilize the bell for a bowl thats deeper. most people I know buy the basketball hoops and the volleyball nets and they get used very little. everybody likes to swim underwater for toys and just relax in the pool, a shallow end is great for that and you have PLENTY of it.
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Thanks for your comments. Yes we'll be spraying ecofinish on it. Works quite well. As for the deep end. You're selling me dude. Take a look at this drawing. I cannot go deeper than 6' so no point in talking about that, but do you think a 24'x16' shallow end is large enough to play in. I'm creating a 12' x 16' "deep end of 6' deep.. More than deep enough for jumping off the edge, and going down and grabbing stuff at the bottom. The bell would still be 4'6. The reason I'm not making the bell the deep side is that my deck is next to the house, and I figure the will want room to jump into the pool. This is the best area. So the question is: is a 15' wide by 24' long shallow end deep enough to "play" my sports in. I'd need to be able to handle 4 guys to a side in volleyball
 

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I think that will be good. What I would is rope it off on the ground. See what you think then. Make sure to take a pic so we can weigh in.

Kim:kim:
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We've run a tape measure. My backyard looks like the surface of the moon, but with mud. No going back there. Attached is an idea. This provides for a 24' x 16' shallow end (If playing volleyball, 12' to each side). So big question.. As shallow ends go, IS THAT BIG ENOUGH?
As for the deep end.. We're calling it a "jump zone". It will be about 9 - 11' wide, and 16' long. It will be 5'6" or 6' deep. More than enough to saftly jump in, and deep enough to "swim down" a little bit. As for the "bell area" We're considering leaving that at 4' since now we have a deeper area. Deepest we'd make it would be 4' 6". The bell is not long enough to jump in saftly and we don't have much deck on that side of the pool. Thoughts?

We do not have access to 8' so that's out of the question for us.
 

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For me I would make the deep part in the bell bump out area - it doesn't look too small to jump into - and the straight section of the pool closer to the house is where the games and a long swim lane would be. In my mind having a long section that suddenly drops off would be awkward - that bell bump out would be the perfect spot to go 6ft...

Not having a big deck area around the deep end isn't a problem for me either - having that section shallow kind of cuts if off from the rest of the pool.
 
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For me I would make the deep part in the bell bump out area - it doesn't look too small to jump into - and the straight section of the pool closer to the house is where the games and a long swim lane would be. In my mind having a long section that suddenly drops off would be awkward - that bell bump out would be the perfect spot to go 6ft...

Not having a big deck area around the deep end isn't a problem for me either - having that section shallow kind of cuts if off from the rest of the pool.
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Hmmm.. The bell is not that big. It only sticks out 8th. If it was a square it would be different, but my setbacks will not allow for that. That's too short to jump out into. You could jump in from the side, but that's to specific. The purpose of the deep end would be for jumping and diving from the pool deck. They need space to run and line up. That can only be done on the side closest to the house. To looks aside for a moment, is a 24x16 shallow end big enough to do most things in?

Jay
 

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Yeah it looks great. 24x16 seems big to me as well. I was not planning on a deep end, but if I can give them something deep enough to jump into and not take anything away, the it would be worth it. While the bell would be the best place for a deep end, it's not large enough and does not "flow" with the design. It's a non-starter. So it's either at the end, or we let it go

Jay
 
Just thought I would offer another counter point. It is certainly your pool so I respect what you want.


At 6 ft diving in isn't really safe anyway - so having a shorter deep section isn't a huge issue because diving wouldn't be allowed if it was my pool. But I do see the issue of jumping in and somehow hitting the transition to the shallow end...With that in mind, I had another idea, and then I will leave you alone - what about making the bell the deep end and extending it so that the deep part is an entire circle - this new deep round section as the deep end would cut into your shallow straight section a bit, but not all the way across like the way you posted earlier.

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santacruzpool said:
Just thought I would offer another counter point. It is certainly your pool so I respect what you want.


At 6 ft diving in isn't really safe anyway - so having a shorter deep section isn't a huge issue because diving wouldn't be allowed if it was my pool. But I do see the issue of jumping in and somehow hitting the transition to the shallow end...With that in mind, I had another idea, and then I will leave you alone - what about making the bell the deep end and extending it so that the deep part is an entire circle - this new deep round section as the deep end would cut into your shallow straight section a bit, but not all the way across like the way you posted earlier.

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It was really nice of you to make this effort for me. I am grateful. At this point, you and I have diverged on preference. You love deeper pools, and I TOTALLY get that. However, if I was going to give that much of the pool to a deep end, then it would need to be a REAL deep end of 8 or 9 ft. Like I said, that's nothing something I want to do. So you've really great to show me idea, but in this case, it's just not the direction I want to go in. HOWEVER I do like the idea of a "jump area" at the end of the pool. I'll still have a good size shallow end of 25' long and about 16' wide. Which, according to my research, should be a nice size area. The "Jump area" will allow the kids to go their flips, cannonballs, and wild-Rear entrys with no danger of hurting themselves. That deep area will be 5'6" or 6' water depth (Whatever i am allowed to do). And will be about 10' wide and 16' long. Now as for the bell area, we want that to remain a standing area, BUT we might drop it down 6" to a 4'6" space.. Sounds small, but we went to a pool and 4'6" is up near your shoulders if you are 5'11" (Like I am) So right now there are three choices:

1: 3'6" on the left and transition to 4' in the middle, and stay at 4' for the rest of the pool
2: 3'6" on the left and transition to 4' in the middle, then go 12' more feet and a "steep" transition down 2 more feet to 6' for a jumping area The bowl area would be 4'6"
3: Same as #2 but make the bowl area 4ft like most of the pool, with the jump area as described,

Odds are our pool will be one of these.

Thanks again for your help!

Jay
 

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Ok so here's what we're leaning towards this morning. The pool has a few depths. At the stairs it's 3'6" and goes down to 4' over 13'. (Not bad) Then it stays as 4' for another 13'. That's the shallow end.
There is now a "deeper" end for jumping and playing. This end will be 5'6" or 6' whatever they let me get away with for the money I am paying.
Finally, the bell area is 4'6" This is a relax, talk, and stand in the water type place. I did put a bench back in there.
The "deep" end and the bench are both things I can say all of you helped me with. I think a "shallow end" of 16' by 26 is more than enough for fun, and the 9'x16' deep end will allow the kids to tread water, swim, and jump in a bit.
As for the depth, take a look at the photo and there are guys in there about 5'11". You can see how the different height affects them. The "little one" in back is my youngest. That's pretty much the only place he can stand up.. Hope he grows more!

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Have you considered making the stairs and shallow end inside the bell, and making it deeper towards where you have the steps now?? Basically just reversing it a bit and making it a bit more usual sloped as far as depth goes?
 
Little Lucas is 11, and not tall. He may be taking after mom, so height may not be his thing. Joshua is 14 and growing like a weed. They LOVE pools. We're so busy that it's hard to plan vacations which is why we HOPE the pool will allow for some fun time at the spur of the moment. :)
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Have you considered making the stairs and shallow end inside the bell, and making it deeper towards where you have the steps now?? Basically just reversing it a bit and making it a bit more usual sloped as far as depth goes?
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That would be going against the flow of the home. All deck space, water entry, etc needs to happen near the house. (See attached) I'm keeping the deck to a minimum on the opposite side due to size issues and water run off issues. So from a real estate point I agree with you, but every other aspect says no.

The real question here is a simple one: Is the Shallow end large enough to have fun in? If they answer is yes, then the deep end is fine. The bell will be a nice place to hang out. But as always I am SUPER grateful for the suggestion cause you never know how these things develop :)

Jay

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Jay I SO want the boys to have a deeper end..........saying that here is my worry................the kids moving back to get the ball and falling into the deep end. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to fix/stop that?

Kim:kim:
 
I think the dropoff is a bad idea. I'd leave it all shallow b4 I did that. Remember you can shape the transition however you want. I like the circle shape and you could make it not so round where the meet up to main pool is. You are worried about transition being too much. 3.6 to 4 ft over 13 ft is nothing. I go to 6ft deep over 15ft and we have no issue standing on it anywhere. You can go to 4ft in 5 feet and you are talking an inch heavy per foot.....not noticable. As said walking backwards in a game and stepping into the recess doesn't seem good to me.

On another note u said the ecofinish is fine on the wall panels. I'm a contractor but not pools... I've never heard of this and I'm curious. I personally think its a bad idea no offense at all. How do they keep the pool base and walls from moving and not breaking the finish and even the wall seams? It's also very expensive compared to a liner. We have builders on here who apply it I'd love to hear an opinion. I'm guessing you dont care for a liner for a particular reason?
 
Jay - I just thought I would add an extra option for you - no worries. Looks like you have things thought out and are happy.

We have a shallow only sport pool - and have a growing boy, along with 2 adult boys...heights range from 4'10" (9 year old) to 6'7" so our 5ft deep pool doesn't fit everyone perfectly, but it is nice pool design and everyone enjoys it...

I am sure your family will be super happy when they can jump in and enjoy it! Good luck!
 

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