Waxahachie, TX Owner Build - A race to beat the baby!

Wow! Well, glad that all worked out!
Many times I "know" things but don't call people out on them. I just figure, I know the truth and they only "think" they are getting away with something.

Now, I want to hear your other story from your day yesterday. I'm totally interested!
 
I Agree with your husband (bro's gotta' stick together ;) )!!

But seriously, you can certainly "call someone out" when you have inside information BUT you'd better have a "Plan B" because the natural human instinct of being called out is to walk away mad. That's OK in the contractor world because any PB will have another sub in their back pocket to go with. In your case, you'd have to find another sub to do the work and that's time consuming and potentially costly.

But glad to hear that you got made whole on the deck issues.


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Wow! Well, glad that all worked out!
Many times I "know" things but don't call people out on them. I just figure, I know the truth and they only "think" they are getting away with something.

Now, I want to hear your other story from your day yesterday. I'm totally interested!

Thanks Denise! After thinking about it more, I decided to edit my post and give the guys the benefit of the doubt on their pricing to me. So I removed the story altogether. I'm grateful the concrete guy is standing behind their work and that I'll be getting spraydeck at no cost to me.

As for the other story, I just had to oversee the work more than I would have liked which didn't instill a lot of confidence in them. They were supposed to install a 65' drainage extension from my deck drains to a pop up drain at the back of the yard, and when I originally asked if they'd use laser levels to make sure the fall was correct (when we were interviewing them for the job) the guy assured me that they would just run water down the pipe to make sure it drained properly. That was fine with me. But when it came down to it yesterday, the pipes did not look like they had a consistent fall to them (one length of pipe in the middle looked higher) and when I asked how it was going the guy in charge said, "Great! We're done... Just covering up the pipes now." I asked, "Does it work?" and he said, "Sure." Looking at my hose and noticing that it hadn't been touched I asked, "How do you know?" He replied that because of the fall of my yard, the pipes would automatically drain properly (even though he never ran water through it like he said he would when we hired him.) So I asked to check and he politely complied. But when the hose water was put in the deck drain, we waited and waited and no water came out at the end. Sure enough, the water was probably getting stuck in the higher pipe since when they stepped on it to seat it deeper in the trench, water started appearing at the end. So I insisted they seat that section of pipe better, not just by stepping on it, but by making the trench a little wider so the pipe could be seated as far down as it was supposed to be. If I hadn't made them check the drainage with water, I'm not sure what we would have ended up with.

Aside from that, our bid listed tractor work at $100/hour for an estimated 8 hours. I had confirmed with the guy a couple of times that the estimate was plus or minus how many hours were actually used. Although they arrived around 8:45 am, the tractor wasn't used until noon and they left the job at 6 pm, with the tractor guy taking at least an hour to help his buddy do the trenching and other work. So when my husband went out to check on things right before they left, he asked about not having taken as long to do the tractor work as expected. They guy replied that the tractor had been on the job the whole time, but yes, he didn't use it the whole time so he'd give us a discount.

When the invoice arrived via email it listed 6 hours of tractor work for $600. Based on my observations, the tractor hadn't been used for the full 6 hours from 12-6pm, and I thought 5 hours would be more accurate (and that was with rounding up) and I politely replied along those lines in an email. At first the guy come back with a defense of his pricing, saying that typically a rented tractor is charged by the hours on site since it can't be used on other jobs (although I was under the impression that this company owned their own tractor since it was a grading/landscaping company) and based on other factors of the job, he thought he was being generous charging us for 6 hours instead of 8. I composed a reply last night, but decided not to send it until the morning. Fortunately, after I had gone to bed last night he must have reconsidered, because there was an adjusted invoice in my inbox showing 5 hours of tractor work instead of 6. I replied with an email thanking him for the adjustment and saying I'd be paying by check promptly.

Perhaps he's right about how rented equipment is charged, but that is beside the point if A) he owns the tractor, and B) he bids the job as hours of tractor "work" and not as its physical presence on the property. After the incident with the drainage, I wasn't feeling like paying an extra $100 for an hour of work that didn't happen. But all is well that ends well, so I'm grateful! :)
 
Jamie, you really do amaze me! The more of your stories I read, the more I know I could never do an owner/build. I would have let the guy on the pipes go with what he told me and I would have ended up paying for the entire time the tractor was on my site.
Way to go!
Keep the stories coming! I find them very interesting.
 
Jamie, you really do amaze me! The more of your stories I read, the more I know I could never do an owner/build. I would have let the guy on the pipes go with what he told me and I would have ended up paying for the entire time the tractor was on my site.
Way to go!
Keep the stories coming! I find them very interesting.

Haha! I'm beginning to think I'll be lucky to survive an owner build! Fortunately we are near the end. I think one owner pool build will be enough for me!

I'm actually beginning to wonder if I'm just too anal or something, and maybe just a big pain to these guys. But oh well... Can't help it now! ;-)

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I Agree with your husband (bro's gotta' stick together ;) )!!

But seriously, you can certainly "call someone out" when you have inside information BUT you'd better have a "Plan B" because the natural human instinct of being called out is to walk away mad. That's OK in the contractor world because any PB will have another sub in their back pocket to go with. In your case, you'd have to find another sub to do the work and that's time consuming and potentially costly.

But glad to hear that you got made whole on the deck issues.


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Matt, of course you and my husband are right... He's always been the one to be more diplomatic! :) I'm glad I didn't say any more to the guys than I did about the cost. As I noted above, I've decided to give them the benefit of the doubt on the pricing considering all the prep work that will need to go into the repair. My original judgement may have been off anyway, and I'd always rather think better of someone if I can.
 
Jamie you are doing a wonderful job of getting your pool AND area the way you want it. Good job on making sure things are like they should be.

I was ON the roof quite a bit when it was being redone as there were some areas I wanted to see why they were like they were. I saw a couple of areas where they were not taking out as much bad wood as I wanted so............they took it out once I pointed it out. Hate to be like that but I have to live with what you do or do not do.

Kim
 
Jamie you are doing a wonderful job of getting your pool AND area the way you want it. Good job on making sure things are like they should be.

I was ON the roof quite a bit when it was being redone as there were some areas I wanted to see why they were like they were. I saw a couple of areas where they were not taking out as much bad wood as I wanted so............they took it out once I pointed it out. Hate to be like that but I have to live with what you do or do not do.

Kim

Thanks, Kim, you made me feel a lot better! I hate feeling regretful, thinking in retrospect like I've let someone take advantage of me or that I've given in too easily, so I'm trying to balance that with being polite but firm in my expectations. In my life, it is not very often that I have this role of being in charge of something (and for that I'm grateful... My husband takes wonderful care of us!) But since it's been decided that this was mainly my project to oversee, I want to make sure it's done right, at least as far as I'm able.
 
Pool pressure update: The psi went down a tad more below 28 psi this morning before I decided to close every valve except for the one for the slide to see what would happen. Thankfully, the pressure is holding dead on with only the slide line open. Now, I've just closed the slide valve again and the only thing I have open is the main drain valve. I'll see how that goes, and then systematically open each of the other valves one at a time. I've got one for the return loop, one for each of my 2 skimmers and one for a dedicated suction line. So hopefully by doing this I can isolate what is causing my pressure to drop ever so slightly, but measurably. I'm not sure what I'll do if I actually figure something out, but at least this is a start!
 

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I like the step by step way you are doing it. How easy is it to pump the pressure back up to full 30?

Kim

I'm not sure how much difference it makes, but I decided it wouldn't be that difficult, so I just raised pressure to 30. Still checking on the main drain line, but I suspect it's ok. I need to make sure to wait long enough to be certain before moving on.
 
Update on my pressure loss issue: After systematically closing and opening all of my valves to see how the pressure would react for each over several hours, (not to mention praying in earnest that God would somehow resolve this for me because I had no idea what I would do if I actually found the source of the leak!) it looks like all is well and my pressure is holding perfectly. Aside from chalking this up to Divine intervention (which I'm very willing to do!), the only thing I noticed throughout the process, which included small pressure loss over a couple of valves, was a tiny puddle of water sitting on top of my valve for the main drain which happens to have its handle on top. After seeing this, I realized that the thumb screw which can be tightened to prevent the handle from being turned was loose, and so water was visible in the toothed groove between the handle and valve body. I tightened this and the tiny gap closed visibly, so I tightened the rest of the valve thumb screws even though no water was visible on them. I then tested the slide line by itself which held fine, and then the whole system with valves open, and there was no pressure drop at all. So let me just say, "Thank you, God!" If I hadn't noticed that little leak from the valve handle, I would still be mystified (and anxious) over what was causing my pressure to creep down.
 
OH wow! You did it! You (with a higher help) solved the problem!

I love watching your thought process..........I can almost see the wheels turning and your eyes taking everything in!

Kim

Thanks, Kim! Once I finally figure out these small hurdles, the answer seems so obvious in retrospect. These are definitely things that show how new I am to all of this and which would have been avoidable problems if using a PB, because of course they know the right way to do things from the start. This is similar to my not knowing at first how to properly pressurize the system by bleeding off air from the filter until it is all gone, which caused some initial pressure issues way back, but the problem got solved once the proper procedure was explained to me. So I'm just grateful that I was able to figure this latest issue out, without having to continue to worry about a plumbing leak who-knows-where under my concrete deck!

Hopefully people following this thread can learn with me as I go along. There are so many little details to know!
 
...These are definitely things that show how new I am to all of this and which would have been avoidable problems if using a PB, because of course they know the right way to do things from the start...

Given the number of build threads each year we see with "expert PBs" royally screwing up people's pools, it's is not even close to being a "given" that PBs "know the right way to do things from the start."

When I move to Texas someday (hey, anything's possible!), YOU will be the first PB I get a quote from ;)

Glad to hear your plumbing is sound.

Matt


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