FAS-DPD consistently measuring high - continuously present minor algae growth

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A year ago I was searching for "FAS-DPD inaccurate results" and saw a newbie get flamed...the supposition is that FAS-DPD is always correct. Well, I'm not sure. Two years ago I added FAS-DPD to my old basic DPD #1/DPD#2 and "guess the color" test tubes. I only used FAS-DPD for a while and noticed I was having a lot more trouble with algae. I started comparing free CHL results with the old color test tubes as well as the pool store (they use a commercial lab type test station but I've had them back it up with titration tests). Consistently my FAS-DPD tests were off (reading way higher than actual). I rechecked my lab style beaker for 10ml volume accuracy, I replaced my reagents, I performed multiple tests to check for variation. I'm not sure what to do next. Typical results are similar to what I just got recently: color test tube says ~8, pool store lab says 8, FAS-DPD takes 24 drops at .5ppm/drop is 12ppm. Before I throw the FAS-DPD stuff out I thought I would post here and see if there were any ideas.

Related algae question: I'm trying to keep my CHL between 6-9 to keep algae at bay (CA is ~50). In reality this means pushing it up to about 12 and letting ride to 6 before adding CHL - about every other day. Circulation is about 12 hrs a day - most of which is while the pool is getting direct sunlight and cycling 30 minute intervals while dark. The pool is vinyl, 25k gallons, gets moderate sunlight in NC due to tree cover, and barely gets to 82 degrees while daytime highs for the past 3 weeks have been in the mid-90's. The water is crystal clear and I keep the pool very clean. The pool is otherwise balanced to TFP numbers. Problem (I think): Every morning I come out to a slight haze of patchy green algae growing on the sides and bottom. It brushes off pretty easy into a cloud and reforms in patches the next AM. I did add a bottle of algaecide - I don't think that is highly recommended here but I'm ready to try anything. I did push the free CHL up to upper teens for a shock but didn't seem to help. In years past the water was colder (we cut some trees) but I either had algae or I didn't -- it would not appear unless I let the CHL levels drop too much. My old CHL levels were more like 3-7 and that worked ok. Is this normal as the temp has gone up to 82 and it's getting a little more sunlight? or is there something else I can do to stop having to brush every day? Thanks!
 
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Thanks for the feedback! Looks like for my CYA I've been slamming a bit too low on free chl. I'll redo at 20ppm.

As for the test, I've definitely reviewed the docs including the water testing errors that was referenced - which is why I'm baffled. the numbers aren't off 1-2ppm - they are off 30-50% which makes the test useless. I'm using the same water sample as in the control tests. I'm an engineer and while it has been a few years I've had my share of chem labs. This test is really pretty simple to perform. Is there any history of bad reagents that can do this? Is it possible that I got two bad batches that were ordered months apart?
 
This test is really pretty simple to perform. Is there any history of bad reagents that can do this?
Where did you purchase your reagents? Lots of stories about bad reagents from Amazon. Very few from TFtestkits.net
Some issues with tips, but that is usually, not expelling some air before inverting reagents, or squeezing drops out quickly.
Is it possible that I got two bad batches that were ordered months apart?
Yes, if from Amazon.
 
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Hmm. I wasn't sure but after checking I confirmed both sets of Taylor reagents were ordered from Amazon. Hard to understand how Taylor reagents can vary based on seller - but, I just ordered a complete refill kit from TFtestkits.net. They are located a few miles away so I hope they get here soon - I'm really interested to see if that solves the problem...
 
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Many people make the mistake of putting too much pressure on the bottle and the drops come out too fast (& too small). This leads to a higher drop count and higher calculated fc result.

Note* The SLAM Process is not just a one time addition of chlorine.
It involves raising fc to
Shock Level And Maintaining it until all 3 end of slam criteria are met. As per the
FC/CYA Levels & slam article.
Hence the acronym SLAM.

SLAM ON 🤩
 
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Being second nature, I often get a screwy result and 🤦‍♂️

*sigh*
*deep breath*
*takes my time like I shoulda in the first place*

Nobody. And I mean NOBODY. Will miss the 20 seconds it takes to let gravity make perfect drops with the bottle completely vertical. It really helps to pre squeeze a little before inverting so the first drops come out 1, 2, 3 and
not 123.
 
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Typical results are similar to what I just got recently: color test tube says ~8, pool store lab says 8, FAS-DPD takes 24 drops at .5ppm/drop is 12ppm. Before I throw the FAS-DPD stuff out I thought I would post here and see if there were any ideas.
Whats the color test tube? Those usually only read up to 5ppm.
 
All great feedback. On the SLAM - yes I understand it has to remain high until the criteria are met. CHL consumption did slow down and I thought I was done...
On the dropping of drops from the bottle... I would expect that to cause a result off by a few drops not off by 8 drops or 4ppm. Yes, I will pay more attention to my dropping technique. I've wondered if something like a lab dropper would work more consistently but I've not seriously pursued that idea.
On the test tubes and beaker. I'm testing two ways - one with the old color based test tube and DPD #1 and #2 - those are the colored tubes in the smaller Taylor test kits. For the titration style test using 870/871 I'm using a 25ml glass beaker with 5ml graduations. I've tested the volume using other measuring devices and confirmed that the 25ml line is accurate (and that I'm filling it properly to that line). That actually was my first theory as not measuring liquid accurately can cause the test to skew one way or the other.
Thanks all good ideas...
 

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Use 10ml and every drop is .5 FC, plenty accurate, more drops for the .2 discrimination introduces larger errors when drop size varies.

Clean your vials with rubbing alcohol frequently.
 
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There can also be variation in the tips. Had one last week where the differences were 4ppm. Swapped the tips (new and old reagent) and the error swapped reagent bottles!
 
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There can also be variation in the tips. Had one last week where the differences were 4ppm. Swapped the tips (new and old reagent) and the error swapped reagent bottles!
Let me make sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that the bottle itself was causing a difference in the number of drops? Also, it sounds like a good control to swap the reagents between bottles to see what follows what - but I don't think I can reload a bottle. The bottle I'm dropping from is the Taylor bottle - it would be hard to swap reagents between Taylor bottles. What kind of bottles are you using? Thanks...
 
Here is the thread:

 
Thanks - this is encouraging news. I'm anxious to get my new reagents...
 
The test is very accurate and the best available. You have something going on if you are having that much trouble.

BTW, do you have a speed stir? It is a game changer for consistent results. Brother who had a pool for 30 years and I did a test back to back on same sample. Him swirl and me with speed stir. His results were a drop higher because the swirl did not swirl as good as speed stir. Link-->Taylor SpeedStir
 
The test is very accurate and the best available. You have something going on if you are having that much trouble.

BTW, do you have a speed stir? It is a game changer for consistent results. Brother who had a pool for 30 years and I did a test back to back on same sample. Him swirl and me with speed stir. His results were a drop higher because the swirl did not swirl as good as speed stir. Link-->Taylor SpeedStir
Nope I'm just swirling. I would be happy to be within one drop/0.5ppm!
 

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