10 Day Old IC-40 Just Went Dark

I may check in with my Pentair rep if I think about it next week to see if there are any inside talks about ceasing production.
They're in business to sell and make money, of course, so abandoning a product that's so closely integrated into the function of other Pentair products was kind of a head scratcher to me. Hopefully the prior post, wherever I found it, was just not quite right.
 
BTW my vacation from pool maintenance was a short one. The 12 year old solenoid valve connected to my Levelor got accidentally kicked by a contractor and went to valve heaven. So that needed to get changed yesterday. All's well again but It would be nice to go a couple of weeks without something breaking, failing or croaking.
 
BTW my vacation from pool maintenance was a short one. The 12 year old solenoid valve connected to my Levelor got accidentally kicked by a contractor and went to valve heaven. So that needed to get changed yesterday. All's well again but It would be nice to go a couple of weeks without something breaking, failing or croaking.
Pools are like BOATS (Bust Out Another Thousand)....but I have yet to hear of a quippy acronym for POOL.
 
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I've got an Airport Express and also an Airport Extreme. They're such well designed products, and every year they keep running perfectly I like them even more.
I went with the Time Capsule over the Extreme. It's still in my system, for Time Machine, but I recently upgraded to a mesh WiFi setup because the Airport stuff couldn't keep up with my latest Apple devices, bandwidth-wise. I had to buy three systems. Threw away the first, returned the second, and maybe have settled on this third one that works well enough. The first two were both fast enough, they just couldn't do all that the Airport system could do. This third one is close enough.

That's a perfect example of a corporation abandoning a perfectly fine product line because it wasn't making them enough money. Let's hope that doesn't happen to IpH.
 
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Pools are like BOATS (Bust Out Another Thousand)....but I have yet to hear of a quippy acronym for POOL.
Perfect Option Outside Labor? Please Overlook Our Liabilities? Nope, neither one is quippy, I'll keep trying.
 
I went with the Time Capsule over the Extreme.
Correction and me too -- I still have an Express and a Time Capsule, not an Extreme, in service. That Time Capsule still serves in all its functions including in-the-background automatic backups for our Macs. I try not to even think about it because I don't want to jinx them, but the fact that both of these Apple routers+ are still in service after all these years later is borderline unbelievable, especially because ... we had a terrible storm related power-surge last year. It badly damaged our HVAC, multiple networking devices, a flat panel TV, a projector, two disc players, an AVR, multiple speakers, multiple streaming boxes, created the first clicking GFCI I'd ever heard, all kinds of damage. Just figuring out what had been hit was difficult since so many things just weren't working. Within the first hour as the scope of the problem was starting to become clear, I thought Oh Crud, I bet we finally lost the Time Capsule. The TC was in the same cabinet, and on the same circuit, where I had already identified a dead ethernet switch, a dead disc player and two dead streaming devices. Not just the same circuit, but it was also wired to the same dead ethernet switch as one of the dead disc players and two of the dead streaming devices. But after replacing the ethernet switch, the bloody Time Capsule came back up and ran normally. Surge? I don't care, they built me right. Still can't believe it.
 
Correction and me too -- I still have an Express and a Time Capsule, not an Extreme, in service. That Time Capsule still serves in all its functions including in-the-background automatic backups for our Macs. I try not to even think about it because I don't want to jinx them, but the fact that both of these Apple routers+ are still in service after all these years later is borderline unbelievable, especially because ... we had a terrible storm related power-surge last year. It badly damaged our HVAC, multiple networking devices, a flat panel TV, a projector, two disc players, an AVR, multiple speakers, multiple streaming boxes, created the first clicking GFCI I'd ever heard, all kinds of damage. Just figuring out what had been hit was difficult since so many things just weren't working. Within the first hour as the scope of the problem was starting to become clear, I thought Oh Crud, I bet we finally lost the Time Capsule. The TC was in the same cabinet, and on the same circuit, where I had already identified a dead ethernet switch, a dead disc player and two dead streaming devices. Not just the same circuit, but it was also wired to the same dead ethernet switch as one of the dead disc players and two of the dead streaming devices. But after replacing the ethernet switch, the bloody Time Capsule came back up and ran normally. Surge? I don't care, they built me right. Still can't believe it.
That is unbelievable. And I'm amazed mine is still ticking. They get really hot, and I can't believe it hasn't cooked itself. I've replaced the hard drive several times, still going. At one point I either couldn't figure out how to get the case back together, or did so on purpose, but I left the bottom off. Then raised it up about 3/8" with some rubber feet I had laying around. I'm thinking that helps cool it off some.

The Expresses get hot, too. So do my Minis. I guess that's within spec, but they're almost too hot to the touch. Crazy the TC is still going.

I received all my "spare" Expresses from eBay. I fired them all up, and they all work. So I'll be set for a while.

HELPFUL TIP: If you haven't already, use Airport Utility to export the settings of your TC and Express(es). That'll create a little file (one for each device) that you can save to your hard drive. If you ever need to replace one, you'll be able to quickly get the new one online just by importing the saved settings file. I just did that, and it worked great.
 
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The Expresses get hot, too. So do my Minis. I guess that's within spec, but they're almost too hot to the touch. Crazy the TC is still going.
For years I've saved the plastic tops that come on cans of (a) my antiperspirant and (b) some stranger's minoxidil. Their uniformity is helpful for raising larger devices that run hot. Two sided stickies holds those legs secure. tight. Smaller streaming boxes (Roku, ATV) can run crazy hot too. A single wine cork dead center lifts those uniformly and lets them breathe from the bottom. If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. 😆
 
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When it rains it pours. Had to travel out of town for a project and was gone 7 days, from Sunday to Sunday. All the pool equipment working great in my absence and I came home to perfect pool chemistry, but this morning I was out near the pool when the filter powered on for its normal start of the day and I was surprised to see an incredible amount of air being blown out of the return lines, more than I'd ever seen before. I checked the pool equipment area, nothing obvious wrong and the air went down to zero in about a minute or so. So I went back to the equipment to find where the issue was and saw a steady drip, not quite a stream but close, coming from one end of the newly reinstalled IC-40. It hadn't been leaking, certainly not like that, before Ieft town the week before. I had lubed both of those new IC o-rings and hand-tightened both ends firmly but, I figured, easy enough to not have it seated properly or lubed properly or maybe that new o-ring wasn't just right.

I just removed the IC to explore. The o-ring seemed fine, but I had a new one on hand, which I lubed up. I used a q-tip to clean the channel it sits in, then seated the new o-ring, lubed the one on the other end of good measure and then hand-tightened everything back in place even more firmly than the last time. Started the pump back up and, geez, the water flow was now significantly worse than it had been the first time.

So I am now suspecting, if this makes any sense, that the seal between the cell union coupling and the PVC pipe has failed. I did not install the new CUC when I installed the new IC, just swapped out new o-rings into the existing cell unions and called it a day. I am not sure whether that kind of failure is common or extremely unlikely, but either way I can't think of any other cause. Based on the pictures, it appears all the plastic / PVC involved at that spot is in good shape with no obvious cracks.

I assume the CUP was glued to the PVC when it was installed in 2012. If that's my likely fix, I have no idea how to get it off and -- as the pictures show -- there really isn't any spare PVC to work with at that location (which is the opposite end from the power cord and flow sensor). I hate to keep coming back to y'all over and over again but this one "simple job" has been sort of a bear and patience tester. Many thanks.
 

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I will say that on carefully looking at those pictures and magnifying them, it looks to me like the o-ring on the leak side isn't perfectly seated in the picture, but that really had to be something that happened when I removed the IC (again) to look at the worsening leak.

The roughly new o-ring I installed back when I installed the first IC-40 a few weeks ago, the cell that quickly failed and set off this whole cascade of other issues, from IpH failures to leaks, was seated so well it was actually difficult to remove. I used a toothpick when I removed it, still assuming that not-tight-enough or a bad o-ring was my likely failure point, just to avoid damaging the channel the o-ring sits in.
 
I will say that on carefully looking at those pictures and magnifying them, it looks to me like the o-ring on the leak side isn't perfectly seated in the picture, but that really had to be something that happened when I removed the IC (again) to look at the worsening leak.

The roughly new o-ring I installed back when I installed the first IC-40 a few weeks ago, the cell that quickly failed and set off this whole cascade of other issues, from IpH failures to leaks, was seated so well it was actually difficult to remove. I used a toothpick when I removed it, still assuming that not-tight-enough or a bad o-ring was my likely failure point, just to avoid damaging the channel the o-ring sits in.
Just pulled the cell again and made sure that o-ring was seated properly, put the cell back in line, tightened it back up, started the pump, leak unchanged.
 
The o-rings that sit in the groove have a tendency to roll out of the groove just enough to cause a leak. Lube the groove liberally and roll the o-ring into it, pressing it into place making sure it’s fully seated. Then lube the outward facing side while pressing it into the groove. It can take some patience, I’ve have many that have made my head want to explode. Heater unions seem to be the worst.

If you are hand tightening the union, after you get it tight, take a dry towel and wrap it around the union and see if you can hand tighten it more. Usually the towel helps you get a little more torque on the nut.
 
Just took a video that may provide an important clue -- the water is pretty clearly flowing from the "back edge" of the cell union coupling that's furthest away from the cell. It's not leaking at the front edge closest to the cell. I'm not sure what that means, not sure it's even important, but that's where the water is coming from.
 
The o-rings that sit in the groove have a tendency to roll out of the groove just enough to cause a leak. Lube the groove liberally and roll the o-ring into it, pressing it into place making sure it’s fully seated. Then lube the outward facing side while pressing it into the groove. It can take some patience, I’ve have many that have made my head want to explode. Heater unions seem to be the worst.

If you are hand tightening the union, after you get it tight, take a dry towel and wrap it around the union and see if you can hand tighten it more. Usually the towel helps you get a little more torque on the nut.
Thanks LP, I will do that. Did not know this was a common hiccup. I had blissfully dodged it for years over the course of many o-rings. I'll go back to it after this thunderstorm blows by.
 

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