VOLT Garden Lighting

Thanks! Yeah, I know from an old prior system, non led, wattage and voltage drop are easy to under-build for. Next up is 600w, so maybe just go 600w 10/2 and have any issue more than taken care of.
My long run is @300 feet, using 12/2 and the 15v tap on the transformer I get about 9.5 volts at the end of the run. The volt bulbs are rates 6v-18v and say you may experience lower lumen output at less than 10v. I have had no issue with my regular bulbs but do use a few smart bulbs and had to bump the output from 14 to 15 as they have a higher min voltage. If you have the space maybe two runs of 12/2 coming from opposite ends?
 
My long run is @300 feet, using 12/2 and the 15v tap on the transformer I get about 9.5 volts at the end of the run. The volt bulbs are rates 6v-18v and say you may experience lower lumen output at less than 10v. I have had no issue with my regular bulbs but do use a few smart bulbs and had to bump the output from 14 to 15 as they have a higher min voltage. If you have the space maybe two runs of 12/2 coming from opposite ends?
Yep, I was trying to eliminate a second run, which would be 2x a long as the single to get out there, about 150' extra dig/run. If you are up to max tap, and with pigtails, connections and all, I'd bet I would be lower end line than what you are reading. That's good info!
 
Yep, I was trying to eliminate a second run, which would be 2x a long as the single to get out there, about 150' extra dig/run. If you are up to max tap, and with pigtails, connections and all, I'd bet I would be lower end line than what you are reading. That's good info!
Plugged it into an online calculator and it looks like if you bump to 10/2 at 350 ft you should be 8.8v end of line which should be ok with the volt bulbs. You may still want/ need to run two lines parallel since the 600 watt transformers are really 2 300 watts in a single case.
 
Plugged it into an online calculator and it looks like if you bump to 10/2 at 350 ft you should be 8.8v end of line which should be ok with the volt bulbs. You may still want/ need to run two lines parallel since the 600 watt transformers are really 2 300 watts in a single case.
Thanks!! Here's then what I know I can do. Make the single run and see what I get in voltage drop and illumination, knowing my wife is a lighting and bulb critic and subject to several changes, possibly. All on the highest end right now. If the second run is required for satisfactory performance all said and done, nothing lost to just run it out and intersect midway. If good the first trial, have saved myself 150' or so of additional dig! But, being 2 300w still kinda puts me back to original calcs.
 
Thanks!! Here's then what I know I can do. Make the single run and see what I get in voltage drop and illumination, knowing my wife is a lighting and bulb critic and subject to several changes, possibly. All on the highest end right now. If the second run is required for satisfactory performance all said and done, nothing lost to just run it out and intersect midway. If good the first trial, have saved myself 150' or so of additional dig! But, being 2 300w still kinda puts me back to original calcs.
You could also drop to 3w mr16 on some the bulbs which would give additional headroom on the 300w transformer
 
You could also drop to 3w mr16 on some the bulbs which would give additional headroom on the 300w transformer
Well, was just looking back through her wattage and color selection, and starting off with 7w, 3000K. She like the airport runway look, and I knew that going in! Two runs it's about going to have to be. Thanks!!!
 
Well, was just looking back through her wattage and color selection, and starting off with 7w, 3000K. She like the airport runway look, and I knew that going in! Two runs it's about going to have to be. Thanks!!!
🤣 Happy wife!
Fyi, I find the 5w bulbs very bright if aimed right. Ours sit 8-12" from the trees and pointvirtually straight up the trunk. The spotlights are all 5w, colored 4w and path 3w, all the white are 3000korg_93a5c988115c3694_1648956000000.jpgorg_b6bd3be79e88db4b_1661664696000.jpgorg_e9ba979f417a7ed6_1648955874000.jpgorg_04350dfa573e0158_1661664670000.jpg
 
@Ahultin These are all trees just about that size of yours and just about the light looking for, at least for me. Looking to get the Top Dog Scotty, lamp ready. She's currently selected 3000K, warm white, 60-degree flood, 7w, 500 lumens. Overkill? I mean, the difference is 30w v. 50W! I'm bout to have to revisit this bulb cart!!!!

Edit to add: Current selection is then, now, 180w per run, demanding 2 runs, so might as well split it in the middle and put both lines in long run. Thanks! This is helping me plan it and contingencies.
 
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@Dirk I'm still drawing mine out to put package together, but looks like will be about 350' of single run. All trees are in direct line along back of property, so will just be making a run from garage in a single string. Estimated total of about 270watts. Will use 300watt transformer, multi-tap. Have you used the direct burial junction connector they have to tee off for each? Trying to plan it this way v. hub set up. Also, their 12/2 for this?
Not sure what "direct burial junction connector" is. I just used the soldered connections with the gooey wire-nuts for water resistance. They're buried, but only in the mulch, not the dirt. Except for the light's tails, all my wire is 12/2.

From VOLT's transformer page (Low Voltage Transformers for Landscape Lighting | VOLT® Lighting)
"We recommend not exceeding 80% of the transformer's capacity."

80% of 300 = 240, so you're not only exceeding VOLT's recommendation, but you're not leaving any room for expansion. I'm pushing my transformer's 80%, and I now regret not getting a bigger one, because I'd like to add some more lights and I can't.

The 600W transformer is only $60 more. That'd cover your current plan and lots of expansion. I can almost guarantee that once you light up the yard, you'll get more lighting ideas.

Alternately, you could get a 300W and a 150 (or another 300W) and split your lights across them. This would allow you to have two circuits that you could use for a nice lighting effect. Say, all the tree lights on one line, and all the path lights on the other, or whatever. My VOLT lights are on one smart switch, the "bistro" lights along the fence are on a dimmer (just strings of white xmas LEDs), and then my pool light (which has multiple colors) is on a third. So I have lots of options:


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When I add my second transformer, I'll split my VOLT lights. After adding a few more path lights, and some more up-lights, I'll separate the path lights from the tree lights.

If you're handy with electronics, you could do something like that with just one transformer, and a few smart switches:

- one smart switch would control the transformer,
- then other smart switches would control 120V relays.

Each relay could then control some portion of your yard lights, so that you could independently control any number of low-voltage branches. More options means more wire, of course, but that might help minimize voltage drop with the long run and all the lights you're planning. I'll draw you a little schematic to illustrate that if you're interested.

I tend to overcomplicate things, but I like options, especially when it comes to lighting. I have 12 lights (8 on dimmers) in my master suite alone! I have many moods. :)🤪😴🤩😵‍💫🥴🥳:sneaky::cry::unsure:😌😚
 
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You may still want/ need to run two lines parallel since the 600 watt transformers are really 2 300 watts in a single case.
If that's the case, I'm thinking you could wire them to different smart switches for the effects I was describing (unless VOLTs setup within the box doesn't allow that, for some reason). That would make the $60 difference a no-brainer.
 
Thanks, @Dirk !! In my haste, I did fail to read the 80% spec, but should have had included anyway. Going 600w, 10/2. It was mentioned above that the 600w was 2 300w but will be on one smart timer for whole box. There's independent on/off switches? Plan to Alexa the thing.
 
Thanks, @Dirk !! In my haste, I did fail to read the 80% spec, but should have had included anyway. Going 600w, 10/2. It was mentioned above that the 600w was 2 300w but will be on one smart timer for whole box. There's independent on/off switches? Plan to Alexa the thing.
We're crossing posts, but if there are two transformers inside, there is likely a way to split them across two smart switches. That may or may not void the warranty, so there's that. VOLT has great support, shoot them an email and ask:
- Does the 600W version actually have two 300W transformers inside?
- Can each transformer be wired to its own on-off switch?
- Would that void the warranty?
 
@Dirk Will do! Looking at pics inside can, there are 2 on/off toggles, but only one place to put the smart timer. Going for it over the mechanical timer or photocell, as the smart timer is supposed to keep up with location's dawn to dusk times though season and time changes. Kinda would even negate my need to Alexa for on, maybe off but have to remember to re-energize plug for next day, but a smart plug could that job. We'll see. about that and possible need to control separate sections.
 
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@Dirk Will do! Looking at pics inside can, there are 2 on/off toggles, but only one place to put the smart timer. Going for it over the mechanical timer or photocell, as the smart timer is supposed to keep up with location's dawn to dusk times though season and time changes. Kinda would even negate my need to Alexa for on, maybe off but have to remember to re-energize plug for next day, but a smart plug could that job. We'll see. about that and possible need to control separate sections.
I'm not exactly clear on what you're describing. I seem to recall some sort of timer mechanism in my VOLT transformer. I just defeated it all and then plugged the VOLT transformer into my smart outlet. My computer-based home automation software does the rest. The transformer is just "dumb" and not affected by light or time of day or power outages, etc. I didn't try to fit any device inside the transformer housing. I put the transformer inside a water-tight enclosure, along with smart outlets and switches (see earlier post).
 
@Dirk I could see the cable in front of panel, and then the pic with the smart timer plugged to it and attached inside panel, which I assumed same place one would plug a mechanical timer or photocell. But, correct, one smart plug (simplest of simple) to Alexa is acceptable control. Would save $35 on a Astronomic smart timer. Mine is going in garage and wired runs via irrigation control conduit through wall.
 
OK, I just had a peek at this page:

I see what they're doing, and what you meant about putting the smart switch inside (mine is not like this one). I'm confident I could rewire that box to accommodate the "dual control" idea I mentioned. I'm also confident it would void the warranty! So maybe that's not the way to go. It's odd that they have those two switches, but the outputs don't seem to be separated, like three 12V taps from one transformer, and the other three from the other transformer. Maybe it works that way, maybe not. But they only give you the option of adding one timer for both transformers. Too bad, it wouldn't have taken much for them to have separated the two transformers.

It's not designed to appeal to a handful of geeks like me, most people just want a simple plug-n-play solution. If someone is determined to have multiple lighting circuits, VOLT will be happy to sell them separate transformers.

Mine had a built-in timer. I like the way they have it now. You can use your own solution, be it simple timer, or smart plug, or whatever. That's a good design.
 
@Dirk Yeah, if I buy it now, I have to pick a timer method or assume my smart plug will automate it, which I don't know would not. Probably should email them and ask specifics on split transformers in there and possible configuration.
 
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@Dirk Will do! Looking at pics inside can, there are 2 on/off toggles, but only one place to put the smart timer. Going for it over the mechanical timer or photocell, as the smart timer is supposed to keep up with location's dawn to dusk times though season and time changes. Kinda would even negate my need to Alexa for on, maybe off but have to remember to re-energize plug for next day, but a smart plug could that job. We'll see. about that and possible need to control separate sections.
The volt 600 only has one provision for the timer and one power cord, given that you need 600 watts and as I recall your doing front yard back yard, you could just go with two separate 300 watt transformers like this guy. VOLT® 300 Watt (12v-15v) Multi-Tap Low Voltage Transformer
I , like @Dirk , used a smart outlet (leviton in my case) which gave the freedom to use alexa/Google home/ leviton app/Hai to control it which I liked much better than the volt options they show. In this case there is a plug inside the stainless cabinet that negates an internal timer.
 
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@Dirk Yeah, if I buy it now, I have to pick a timer method or assume my smart plug will automate it, which I don't know would not. Probably should email them and ask specifics on split transformers in there and possible configuration.
Your smart plug will automate it as you just use the internal bypass receptacle without a timer module
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