Correct way to repair cracks at the level of the bond beam (cracked tile)?

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NextProject said:
The other thing which dissuades me demo of the deck is that there are only the areas mentioned. The remainder of the pool has no cracks anywhere and there are no cracks in the deck. Do you think it would be beneficial to just demo those two sections (between expansion joints) which have a problem?
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You don't know where else the deck is putting pressure on the bond beam and will show cracks in the future.

You can do a halfway fix and hope it is enough or you can cry once and do it right for it to last a long time.

How long do you plan to be in this house?
 
I am beginning to lean towards your recommendation ajw22 as the planters and infinity would not be involved leaving a relatively small area of pool deck and removing the deck from the top would shed light on what caused the cracks on one side.
 
Post pics of your deck and pool.

The basic concept is that the pool must be a standalone structure that can move on its own. You should be able to visualize what makes up the pool structure and that no other structure like decking touches it.

The pool structure and deck structure need to be able to move independently which is what the expansion joint allows.

I don't know where your planters fit in. Are they separate structures from the pool or deck?

That is why I would like to see pics to get an overall view of your situation.
 
So you need an expansion joint running along where the red line is.

Some special attention needs to be where the infinity edge meets the coping and deck to keep the two structures uncouples.

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NextProject said:
The coping for the planters would be difficult to remove and the beam along the planters has no cracks.
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Some of this stuff needs to be game time decisions once you begin the demo process and see what you find.
 
I will talk with the pool remodeler tomorrow about cutting the expansion joint. As you can see in the pool photo there are remodel coping pavers sitting on the edge of the spa. The plan was/is to overlay the pool deck with pavers. I am still concerned about the crack in the spa wall as the pool remodeler wants to grove the crack and use mortar to fill it covered by tile. I think it will just crack again.
 
I already asked the pool remodeler about a demo of just the spa deck only on Friday and he was reluctant. I does good work resurfacing pools but I don't think he and his team are accustomed to demo work and pool decks and bond beam issues.
 

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NextProject said:
I will talk with the pool remodeler tomorrow about cutting the expansion joint. As you can see in the pool photo there are remodel coping pavers sitting on the edge of the spa. The plan was/is to overlay the pool deck with pavers. I am still concerned about the crack in the spa wall as the pool remodeler wants to grove the crack and use mortar to fill it covered by tile. I think it will just crack again.
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I would not overlay the pool deck with pavers. It will add weight to your problem areas and further stress the pool.

If you want pavers then demo the deck and put the pavers on a properly prepared surface.
 
Last time we left you, you were talking with a pool remodeler about what to do.

Update us on what you did and what you found.

What are your plans now?
 
ajw22 said:
Last time we left you, you were talking with a pool remodeler about what to do.

Update us on what you did and what you found.

What are your plans now?
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Good evening ajw22,

Thanks again for all your help. The guy a chose to resurface the pool did my neighbors pool and did a great job however he does not do bond beam repair. I new that going in a chose to go with him anyway. I thought it would be relatively easy to find someone to do the bond beam repair but learned that this is not the case. I had multiple companies take a look at it but no one wanted to remove the deck and damaged bond beam to do the repair in what I believe to be the correct way so I chose to do it myself. So far so good. I am ready to set the pins in the shell with epoxy, tie rebar to the pins, set up the forms and pour a new beam. You can see what the spa looked like before from prior pictures in this thread. Any suggestions?

Thanks, Darren
 
I found when I removed the deck and bond beam that whoever built the pool decided to increase the height of the spa with a separate pour of concrete on top of the bond beam. They then set the deck on top of that with no expansion (slip joint) between the deck and the bond beam. Any movement of the deck was transferred to the bond beam which was virtually floating on top of the original bond beam.
 
NextProject said:
Removed cantilever deck and damaged bond beam, ready for pins, rebar, forms and concrete. Any suggestions before I proceed?
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Drill holes into the cleaned up bond beam and epoxy rebar rods vertically to tie together the existing shell with the new pour.

Extensive thread on a bond beam repair here and discussion about using bonding agent on existing bond beam and type of cement mix to use....

Bond beam repair

I recently purchased a house with an in ground pool where the tile was loose around 1/3 of the pool, and a lot of the coping sounded hollow. After removing all of the tile I discovered bond beam damage in several places. As such, I have removed the coping stones, and chiseled out the bond beam...
www.troublefreepool.com www.troublefreepool.com

Bond beam repair - rebar or no?

Yup @bdavis466 - hoping for your advice please! We're in the middle of a remodel, pool is demoed and they are currently fixing the cracked areas in the bond beam. They are just adding new cement without using any rebar to tie in to existing structure. PB says he doesn't recommend adding rebar...
www.troublefreepool.com www.troublefreepool.com
 

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