New pool build - Plaster 5-4-22(Southern California)

r2sie2

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May 8, 2021
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Southern California 91406
Pool Size
11000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
Hey everyone, I've been lurking this forum for a while now and am hoping for any input you all may have for me.

Pool is going to be 15x28 with a 6' sun shelf and no spa. The picture shows grass around the pool, but we're going to do something else once installed. I really wanted to go deeper, but since the pool is going to be so short I'm thinking we're going to be going 4' shallow end to 6.5' deep end, sun shelf is going to be 10" with two led bubblers (not the three in the picture.) Wanted a heat/cool pump as it gets super hot in my area and I'll have solar electricity in the near future.

Lighting is really important so I'm putting 3 lights into the pool and two lighted bubblers on the deck. I know the led bubblers have issues, but the look is worth it to me. I am concerned about the builder recommending the dimmer led bubblers. He says the 160s are used for accent lighting and 320s are for pools. This doesn't really make a lot of sense to me because you wouldn't use a bubbler to light a pool so why is it offered in the 320? I was wondering if you guys had any insight to why you'd go with the lower level of light if you're able to dim them?

When I do the math it seems like the pool is going to be about 1100 gallons. Most of the equipment is rated at 15000 gallons, but I often see recommendations here to double the output? I'm really close to my budget so I don't want to add cost unless it's really necessary.

Builder recommended Hayward as his personal preference but said he's happy to go with whatever line I'd prefer.

I plan on doing the water levels and maintenance diy using this forums recommendations. Any advice is really appreciated, I'm stressing out hard. Dig is tomorrow!

  • Hayward ColorLogic bubbler 160 x2
  • Hayward AQR3 chlorinator
  • Hayward Colorlogic 320 lights x3
  • Hayward Tristar vs 900 pump
  • Hayward c4030 filter
  • Hayward Omni PL control system
  • Raypak 65-i heat/cool pump

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Welcome to TFP.

What equipment is rated to 15,000 gallons?

The only thing we recommend doubling is SWG capacity. Get a SWG that is rated for at least 2X your pool volume. I don't see a SWG listed in your equipment.

If you plan on following TFP chemistry then you want a SWG or use liquid chlorine and not the Hayward AQR3 tablet chlorinator.
 
I would suggest you not get a heat pump for both heating and cooling ... it will do neither well. Get a large capacity heat pump (biggest your wallet can afford) and then PLAN TO install a Glacier Pool chiller. After you build the pool and use it a bit, you may find that a chiller is unnecessary.

And, to be honest, unless you live in Death Valley, your climate is not as hot as mine. In all my 9 years of pool ownership, I have never thought once that I wanted to chill my pool water. When the air is hot and dry out, even a 90F pool can feel cool especially when you get out of the water and evaporative cooling takes over.
 
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I would suggest you not get a heat pump for both heating and cooling ... it will do neither well. Get a large capacity heat pump (biggest your wallet can afford) and then PLAN TO install a Glacier Pool chiller. After you build the pool and use it a bit, you may find that a chiller is unnecessary.

And, to be honest, unless you live in Death Valley, your climate is not as hot as mine. In all my 9 years of pool ownership, I have never thought once that I wanted to chill my pool water. When the air is hot and dry out, even a 90F pool can feel cool especially when you get out of the water and evaporative cooling takes over.
I would suggest you not get a heat pump for both heating and cooling ... it will do neither well. Get a large capacity heat pump (biggest your wallet can afford) and then PLAN TO install a Glacier Pool chiller. After you build the pool and use it a bit, you may find that a chiller is unnecessary.

And, to be honest, unless you live in Death Valley, your climate is not as hot as mine. In all my 9 years of pool ownership, I have never thought once that I wanted to chill my pool water. When the air is hot and dry out, even a 90F pool can feel cool especially when you get out of the water and evaporative cooling takes over.
I think I’m going to take this advice. He only added the cooler because I requested it.
 
Welcome to TFP.

What equipment is rated to 15,000 gallons?

The only thing we recommend doubling is SWG capacity. Get a SWG that is rated for at least 2X your pool volume. I don't see a SWG listed in your equipment.

If you plan on following TFP chemistry then you want a SWG or use liquid chlorine and not the Hayward AQR3 tablet chlorinator.
Whoops I just put it as chlorinator. So you think this is too small?

  • Hayward AQR3 salt chlorinator
 
When I do the math it seems like the pool is going to be about 1100 gallons. Most of the equipment is rated at 15000 gallons, but I often see recommendations here to double the output? I'm really close to my budget so I don't want to add cost unless it's really necessary.

15' x 28' = 420 sq ft
Average depth is 5.25 ft

420 x 5.25 = 2205 cubic ft of water = 16,495 gallons

It's roughly a 16,000 gallon pool give or take a few hundred gallons
 
Welcome to TFP.

What equipment is rated to 15,000 gallons?

The only thing we recommend doubling is SWG capacity. Get a SWG that is rated for at least 2X your pool volume. I don't see a SWG listed in your equipment.

If you plan on following TFP chemistry then you want a SWG or use liquid chlorine and not the Hayward AQR3 tablet chlorinator.
I’m sorry I’m having a hard time deleting my previous comment on mobile. I didn’t thoroughly read your comment at first. Is this not a salt chlorinator?

 
15' x 28' = 420 sq ft
Average depth is 5.25 ft

420 x 5.25 = 2205 cubic ft of water = 16,495 gallons

It's roughly a 16,000 gallon pool give or take a few hundred gallons
Yeah but once you take the sun shelf and bench seat out of the equation it goes down no?
 
You should get the Aquarite with the 40K T-15 cell for your pool. The 25K T-9 cell is a bit undersized for you.
 

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You should get the Aquarite with the 40K T-15 cell for your pool. The 25K T-9 cell is a bit undersized for you.

Ok I’m going to upgrade this. There are two versions one says “Extended Life TurboCell“ my contractor referred to it as commercial and it’s an additional $100. Any idea what the difference is and if you’d recommend getting it?
 
For your small pool you are not going to run a T-15 at a high generation %. I would bank the $100 for the next cell.
 
For your small pool you are not going to run a T-15 at a high generation %. I would bank the $100 for the next cell.

Thanks, yes I’m going to upgrade but there’s two versions of the upgraded salt chlorinators. There’s the AQR15, and the AQR15-LL (long life) he called the long life one a commercial unit. The AQR15-LL is $100 more than the regular AQR15 so I’m trying to figure out what the difference is. It’s only $100 so if it’s worth it I’ll get the long life one. Just want to make sure that it’s not going to be a problem to diy or anything
 
The AQR15-LL has more rare earth coating which means it should generate more chlorine. However there are many reasons why a cell fails prematurely and you don't get that longer life. So it is like buying an extended warranty, it may payoff or it may not.

 
The AQR15-LL has more rare earth coating which means it should generate more chlorine. However there are many reasons why a cell fails prematurely and you don't get that longer life. So it is like buying an extended warranty, it may payoff or it may not.


Any downfalls other than the extra initial cost? Would you go with the long life one?
 
Any downfalls other than the extra initial cost? Would you go with the long life one?

If you maintain your pool chemistry properly, then you don’t need it. It’s really just a marketing ploy to make people think they should get it.
 
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I’m putting in 2 led bubblers on our Baja shelf and the builder is recommending the 160 over the 320 because he says they are used for accent lighting and the 320 is used to light a pool. This doesn’t make sense to me because why would a bubbler be used to light a pool. Was wondering if you guys know of any reason not to go with the brighter bubblers? If you’re able to dim then I’d assume it’s better to get the 320s and if they’re too bright then just dim them in the app. What am I missing? Thanks in advance!
 
Are you sure the app can dim those lights?

Will you have Omni Direct Mode installed with Hayward automation?
 
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Are you sure the app can dim those lights?

Will you have Omni Direct Mode installed with Hayward automation?

I believe so? This is what is getting installed. Is there something else I’d need?

 

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