Mysterious chlorine loss... SLAM even though not failing entrance criteria?

It is not stated explicitly in that article that failing a random OCLT warrants ENTRY into a SLAM
It’s understood, but. The only test that really matters is the last test. I mean, sure it’s good to have a history and track any trends and whatnot, but if the current OCLT is passing, failing a rando one a few days back is no longer relevant.
 
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So, I am not an expert, not even a guide. But I think passing the OCLT at high levels of FC can be tough.

Not professional advice but here is what I would do. Let you FC drop to 10. Run the OCLT on that. You can always jump back to SLAM level if necessary.
 
That makes a lot of sense. It could very easily be a mix of dirt + sunscreen.

In fact, my wife ensures our kids (ages 3, 6, and 8) are never in the pool without a healthy layer of the stuff (sunscreen, not dirt... They handle the additional layer of dirt just fine on their own).

I imagine that stuff is hard to break down, and I recall reading on here that it does consume chlorine. The pool is also well used! Could that be what the chlorine is working on at night??

Interesting thought about the sunscreen consuming FC overnight.
 
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So, I am not an expert, not even a guide. But I think passing the OCLT at high levels of FC can be tough.

Not professional advice but here is what I would do. Let you FC drop to 10. Run the OCLT on that. You can always jump back to SLAM level if necessary.

This. 👍
 
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Interesting thought about the sunscreen consuming FC overnight.

I had a similar thought. His last OCLT measurement was -2.5ppm FC and zero CC. If TC = FC + CC, something is either taking FC out of the pool or breaking down an awful lot of CC overnight? (Edit: I answered my own question: the shock levels of FC oxidize any CCs overnight)
 
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Alright crew, here's the plan.

We still have two out of the three criteria for passing a SLAM working for us, "and that ain't bad".
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CC < 0.5 and Clear Water (Crystal... Not Creedence... but see here for good measure [and for the mandatory backing soundtrack while reading this post])
Also in honor of what I may be about to let the pool become, and my Chicagoan ways:
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I'm going to let the FC drop to between 8 and 10, and run an OCLT for the next couple of nights while I maintain a target 8ppm and watch for signs of backsliding.

I may take one for the team. This is for the science. Definitely for the science. Not the easy way out. :LOL:

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Son of a gun he actually did it.

FC = 13.0, down from 13.5 in the OCLT
CC = 0.5
pH > 8.0
TA = 225
CH = 450
CYA = 50
CSI > 1.0

I think passing the OCLT at high levels of FC can be tough.

More drops can mean more chance for error- especially in the wee hours..

Yes on both counts! +/- 1 ml at 20 ppm is already +/- 2 ppm! Finding that meniscus is tough!
I think my testing methods were suspect, to be sure.
I've resorted to rinsing my equipment in RO water to remove any residue, and using a child's medicine cup to more easily pour out exactly 10 ml. (I think the latter is INCREDIBLY helpful). I'm confident testing error has been a large factor.

Thank you all so much! Hopefully others here can apply many of my lessons learned.

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Next time you order you reagent refills. Get one of these, and a bunch of the Taylor cylinders. Makes measuring much easier. And if you dont have a SpeedStir get one of those too.

 

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congrats!! 🎉 🥳
Keep your 👁on things & enjoy your oasis!
You can order a sample sizer or i just keep a 5ml syringe in my box (my kid used to take a lot of meds so i have a bajillion of them)
 
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So, triangleman….. along with hoping it’s as done as it appears to be, I wanted to point out another time a member was long done but it didn’t appear so and kept him at it unnecessarily.


Every pool is different and there are certainly exceptions to every rule. (Again hopefully this is one of them :)). But they are very rare exceptions and the process still has to be recommended In it’s entirety because to give the 99%+ of folks a false hope would be irresponsible.

Keep us posted !!
 
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Next time you order you reagent refills. Get one of these, and a bunch of the Taylor cylinders. Makes measuring much easier. And if you dont have a SpeedStir get one of those too.


The Sample Sizer is great for consistency, and no more squinting at a meniscus! 😀👍
 
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there are certainly exceptions to every rule. (Again hopefully this is one of them :)). But they are very rare exceptions and the process still has to be recommended In it’s entirety because to give the 99%+ of folks a false hope would be irresponsible.

Well, first things first, I'm in the trust-but-verify phase. After passing the OCLT twice before this, I'm not taking this latest Pass as gospel. I'm going to run an OCLT again at least one more night, and then watch things very closely.

Second, I honestly don't think this was an exception. I think the SLAM worked. Certainly after I cleaned out the niche behind the light and got the last of the algae, I think the second passing OCLT was accurate.
At this point, I'm attributing the extended duration due to subsequently failing OCLTs to testing error (and maybe sunscreen?? It's certainly in the pool in a high amount; I'm still undecided on its impact.)
Even though I was as diligent as I could be, my testing proficiency simply got better as I went on and realized a lot of testing mistakes I was making.
The opportunity for error at high FC with 10 ml water samples is very high. Getting the sample size right, with clean tools, and titrating carefully, is huge.

I also skipped doing OCLTs every night because I observed the high amount of chlorine loss during the day and figured (incorrectly) that of course there was still a lot of algae being fought off so why bother with an OCLT. The most frustrating part, that I think a lot of people don't realize because thankfully they don't need to SLAM very often (and now hopefully neither will I!), but @NorCalX certainly found out as well, is that the sun burns off huge amounts of FC at high SLAM levels. My empirical data, as well as his, confirms that losing something on the order of 5% of FC per hour is accurate. For large pools at high SLAM levels, that becomes a dishearteningly prohibitive amount of chlorine. I've gone through at least 64 gallons in a space of time that I probably should have gone through maybe 20. (3-5 gallons per day (12-20 ppm/day) over 3 weeks to hold SLAM levels compared to an expected 0.5-1 gal/day (2-4 ppm) to maintain an algae free pool at FC/CYA levels).

My main takeaways, and I what I would encourage everyone else to consider, are:
1) Most importantly, the SLAM successfully cleared what was unquestionably an algae bloom.
2) You will burn through Chlorine at prodigious rates during the day, not only due to algae, but also due to losses to the sun.

Maintaining an algae-free pool with as low a CYA as possible/recommended (in the event that SLAM levels become necessary) is critical. The FC losses during the day do not, themselves, indicate an algae problem, or a failing SLAM... just a very high cost of doing business this way, especially if you can't defeat it quickly. It also makes almost no difference (in terms of losses to the sun) whether you add the chlorine at frequent intervals, or in larger doses more infrequently. (See my previous post in this thread walking through the math on that).
3) TEST. VERY. CAREFULLY.
Clean your equipment. Be precise on water quantity. Use additional tools if necessary (e.g. a kid's medicine cup or syringe, sample sizer, etc.) to increase your accuracy and be even more precise. If you think you really should have passed an OCLT by now, and you just can't, re-examine your test methods even closer. +/-1 mL on a 10 mL sample size is 10%. That's 2 ppm at FC=20, 4 ppm at FC=40, etc. The ability to fail a test just based on inaccuracy, regardless of algae, is very real. Especially when the criteria for passing is an absolute 1 ppm, regardless of what percentage of your FC SLAM level that represents.
 
4) Slamming is no fun. Maintain your FC at upper level of the FC/CYA chart and never have to SLAM. For me I use "target" level as my minimum level, and just run FC hot. It does not cost much more, and you dont notice the extra FC (thats what most people are afraid of).
 
Well, first things first, I'm in the trust-but-verify phase. After passing the OCLT twice before this, I'm not taking this latest Pass as gospel. I'm going to run an OCLT again at least one more night, and then watch things very closely.

Second, I honestly don't think this was an exception. I think the SLAM worked. Certainly after I cleaned out the niche behind the light and got the last of the algae, I think the second passing OCLT was accurate.
At this point, I'm attributing the extended duration due to subsequently failing OCLTs to testing error (and maybe sunscreen?? It's certainly in the pool in a high amount; I'm still undecided on its impact.)
Even though I was as diligent as I could be, my testing proficiency simply got better as I went on and realized a lot of testing mistakes I was making.
The opportunity for error at high FC with 10 ml water samples is very high. Getting the sample size right, with clean tools, and titrating carefully, is huge.

I also skipped doing OCLTs every night because I observed the high amount of chlorine loss during the day and figured (incorrectly) that of course there was still a lot of algae being fought off so why bother with an OCLT. The most frustrating part, that I think a lot of people don't realize because thankfully they don't need to SLAM very often (and now hopefully neither will I!), but @NorCalX certainly found out as well, is that the sun burns off huge amounts of FC at high SLAM levels. My empirical data, as well as his, confirms that losing something on the order of 5% of FC per hour is accurate. For large pools at high SLAM levels, that becomes a dishearteningly prohibitive amount of chlorine. I've gone through at least 64 gallons in a space of time that I probably should have gone through maybe 20. (3-5 gallons per day (12-20 ppm/day) over 3 weeks to hold SLAM levels compared to an expected 0.5-1 gal/day (2-4 ppm) to maintain an algae free pool at FC/CYA levels).

My main takeaways, and I what I would encourage everyone else to consider, are:
1) Most importantly, the SLAM successfully cleared what was unquestionably an algae bloom.
2) You will burn through Chlorine at prodigious rates during the day, not only due to algae, but also due to losses to the sun.

Maintaining an algae-free pool with as low a CYA as possible/recommended (in the event that SLAM levels become necessary) is critical. The FC losses during the day do not, themselves, indicate an algae problem, or a failing SLAM... just a very high cost of doing business this way, especially if you can't defeat it quickly. It also makes almost no difference (in terms of losses to the sun) whether you add the chlorine at frequent intervals, or in larger doses more infrequently. (See my previous post in this thread walking through the math on that).
3) TEST. VERY. CAREFULLY.
Clean your equipment. Be precise on water quantity. Use additional tools if necessary (e.g. a kid's medicine cup or syringe, sample sizer, etc.) to increase your accuracy and be even more precise. If you think you really should have passed an OCLT by now, and you just can't, re-examine your test methods even closer. +/-1 mL on a 10 mL sample size is 10%. That's 2 ppm at FC=20, 4 ppm at FC=40, etc. The ability to fail a test just based on inaccuracy, regardless of algae, is very real. Especially when the criteria for passing is an absolute 1 ppm, regardless of what percentage of your FC SLAM level that represents.
I’m only commenting on the sunscreen portion.
I had a major FC loss and CC problem following a big pool party in my 2300 gal plunge pool. I found 4 inches of sunsceeen in my skimmer the next morning.
I kept finding sunscreen motor oil in my skimmer. I languished in an almost 2.5 week slam. I drained/scrubbed/refilled and voila - no problem. Sunscreen can have an impact. Here’s my thread if you’re interested: Featured - My sad 2021 SLAM thread - sunscreen, not algae? Draining and refilling was the solution
 
Draining, cleaning, and refilling is a much better option on a 2300 gallon pool. Not so much on 25,000 gallons. Also to have the same effect triangleman would have to have 180 people go into his pool in a day.

Now I want an invite to THAT party!!
 
Draining, cleaning, and refilling is a much better option on a 2300 gallon pool. Not so much on 25,000 gallons. Also to have the same effect triangleman would have to have 180 people go into his pool in a day.

Now I want an invite to THAT party!!
Of course not. I only use the example to illustrate a point about sunscreen. I don’t think it is emphasized enough in this forum. People are always talking about algae, but I think sunscreen plays a bigger role than we realize.

P.S. it was a dang fun party. 😛
 

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