Deck Jets

[tabitha_599]

Hi. Our pool dig and install is scheduled for this week. We are doing a rectangle shaped fiberglass pool. Our builder just does a basic install and no landscaping or what not. I was wanting to add deck jets to just give the pool a little something extra but he just quoted me $1000 for two jets and $2400 if I wanted them on their own pump. I am in shock. You can buy four Hayward jets for $300. For surely there is not that much involved for the labor since it's being done during install.

What the heck are my options? My husband is a plumber. He can run pipe all day long. But I wanted them put in the concrete decking around the pool and how would he go about accessing the plumbing once they are done with the install?

Am I off here? Is this pricing normal or does it seem way high? I have no experience with this so maybe I'm just in sticker shock.

 

[panic_button]

I'm having 4 installed for $700. They are on the same pump, but each one will have it's own valve so we can choose which ones run via automation.

 

[crabboy]

I don't think $1000 is all that extreme. Yeah, the parts aren't that much, but he needs to run the extra plumbing, valves and then its extra work for the concrete guys. Above that, he needs to warranty these extra parts and its just that much more that can go wrong.

Running the pipes after the fact will not work out. You can try to run the pipes before the deck is poured and have one end sick out of the concrete and the other sticking out at the pad. Don't know how you'd you retro the jet into the deck after it's been poured.

IMO, pay the 1g or skip 'em.

 

[kevinp768]

Some food for thought. My deck on one side is only 4 feet, so I installed my own deck jets outside of the concrete in case I ever had issues with them. Before concrete was poured, I ran my own pvc from the equipment pad to outside the deck area, and then ran the line in its own trench. Once I got the the rear of the pool where the jets would be, I plumbed a pressure equalization loop so the jets were pressurized evenly. All in with 4 deck jets from amazon, a jandy 3 way valve, and plumbing and fittings was about $275 total plus my time to install.

Edit- The jets from Amazon were $149. I figured id give them a shot, and if they sucked, it wasn't too much money wasted in the grand scheme of the pool build. Worst case scenario, I can replace them in about 2 hours with some better ones by digging them up.

 

[PoolGate]

Once you sign the contract some builders salivate at change orders. Nothing you can really do now you can't install these after the fact. Chalk it up to experience.

 

[Neto]

For my build only one pipe feeds all the Jets, one pipe for air and one for the return. I would say that it depends on the configuration and pipe sizing... My pump is a 2.7HP variable speed by Jandy it is oversized for my 18k pool

 

[tabitha_599]

Some food for thought. My deck on one side is only 4 feet, so I installed my own deck jets outside of the concrete in case I ever had issues with them. Before concrete was poured, I ran my own pvc from the equipment pad to outside the deck area, and then ran the line in its own trench. Once I got the the rear of the pool where the jets would be, I plumbed a pressure equalization loop so the jets were pressurized evenly. All in with 4 deck jets from amazon, a jandy 3 way valve, and plumbing and fittings was about $275 total plus my time to install.

Edit- The jets from Amazon were $149. I figured id give them a shot, and if they sucked, it wasn't too much money wasted in the grand scheme of the pool build. Worst case scenario, I can replace them in about 2 hours with some better ones by digging them up.

Thank you. This is a perfect explanation. Our builder does a basic fiberglass install. They've never offered up extra's unless I ask and I always have to talk to his office girl who is a go between and it takes multiple calls of back and forth to get each little thing figured out. It's been a little frustrating to put this build together like this. It's almost over though so it'll be worth it. I'm going to show this response to my husband.

 

[thomasandanita]

i think that is a great diy solution

Some food for thought. My deck on one side is only 4 feet, so I installed my own deck jets outside of the concrete in case I ever had issues with them. Before concrete was poured, I ran my own pvc from the equipment pad to outside the deck area, and then ran the line in its own trench. Once I got the the rear of the pool where the jets would be, I plumbed a pressure equalization loop so the jets were pressurized evenly. All in with 4 deck jets from amazon, a jandy 3 way valve, and plumbing and fittings was about $275 total plus my time to install.

Edit- The jets from Amazon were $149. I figured id give them a shot, and if they sucked, it wasn't too much money wasted in the grand scheme of the pool build. Worst case scenario, I can replace them in about 2 hours with some better ones by digging them up.

 

[SBall]

I did something similar. I bought three nozzles off Amazon for around $10 each, roughly $50 worth of PVC and glue, and $35ish for a pentair valve.

 

[MyAZPool]

I'm having 4 installed for $700. They are on the same pump, but each one will have it's own valve so we can choose which ones run via automation.

panic_button
I like it! If I were building new (and I would certainly have Pentair Laminars), that is how I would do mine. Then I can fine tune each laminar separetly so attain the height and distance that I would prefer.
r.

 

[PoolGate]

I'm having 4 installed for $700. They are on the same pump, but each one will have it's own valve so we can choose which ones run via automation.

Hmm... If it was Jandy automation you would need a larger capacity Aqualink unit to manage those 4 automated valves (JVAs) in addition to the other JVAs. In a nutshell, it would be a LOT more expensive. Not to mention each valve controller is $100 plus a valve to go on for another $50. So to automate 4 jets you are looking at $600 just for valves and valve controllers and then you'd need to add to that the controller upgrade.

 

[MyAZPool]

Hmm... If it was Jandy automation you would need a larger capacity Aqualink unit to manage those 4 automated valves (JVAs) in addition to the other JVAs. In a nutshell, it would be a LOT more expensive. Not to mention each valve controller is $100 plus a valve to go on for another $50. So to automate 4 jets you are looking at $600 just for valves and valve controllers and then you'd need to add to that the controller upgrade.

I can't speak for how panic_button will plumb his system, but if it were me, I would only use one IntelliValve to control all four Laminars. Then I would have manual two-way Jandy's for each individual laminar.

Since he will have Pentair IntelliCenter automation, at most, he may need to only purchase the IntelliCenter Valve Expansion Module ($159.00) and one additional IntelliValve ($166.) and four 2-way valves, above and beyond the cost and installation of the deck jets.
r.

 

[MFogel]

I can't speak for how panic_button will plumb his system, but if it were me, I would only use one IntelliValve to control all four Laminars. Then I would have manual two-way Jandy's for each individual laminar.

Since he will have Pentair IntelliCenter automation, at most, he may need to only purchase the IntelliCenter Valve Expansion Module ($159.00) and one additional IntelliValve ($166.) and four 2-way valves, above and beyond the cost and installation of the deck jets.
r.

In the middle of my build. This is my plan exactly.....

 

[panic_button]

I can't speak for how panic_button will plumb his system, but if it were me, I would only use one IntelliValve to control all four Laminars. Then I would have manual two-way Jandy's for each individual laminar.

Since he will have Pentair IntelliCenter automation, at most, he may need to only purchase the IntelliCenter Valve Expansion Module ($159.00) and one additional IntelliValve ($166.) and four 2-way valves, above and beyond the cost and installation of the deck jets.
r.

I'm sure they are making up the difference in the price of the IntelliCenter and the additional concrete work we are having done.

 

[MyAZPool]

In the middle of my build. This is my plan exactly.....

Nice
MFogel and panic_button
Ah, I see you two are fairly new (Jun), and just noticed that you both will be incorporating IntelliCenters (along with other Pentair "goodies") in your builds. Outstanding!
Please excuse my manners for not welcoming you to TFP sooner. It's nice to have you here.

Please let me know if there is anything that I can help you with regarding your IntelliCenter or its associated equipment. Just "ping" me. I have been using the IntelliCenter since it was first released. I will not proclaim to know everything about it, but if I don't know, I will do whatever I can to either find out or use my system as a "test bed" (I haven't broke anything yet ).

Once again, welcome and I look forward to watching your builds with your new automation progress.
Please take care...
r..

 

[MFogel]

Nice
MFogel and panic_button
Ah, I see you two are fairly new (Jun), and just noticed that you both will be incorporating IntelliCenters (along with other Pentair "goodies") in your builds. Outstanding!
Please excuse my manners for not welcoming you to TFP sooner. It's nice to have you here.

Please let me know if there is anything that I can help you with regarding your IntelliCenter or its associated equipment. Just "ping" me. I have been using the IntelliCenter since it was first released. I will not proclaim to know everything about it, but if I don't know, I will do whatever I can to either find out or use my system as a "test bed" (I haven't broke anything yet ).

Once again, welcome and I look forward to watching your builds with your new automation progress.
Please take care...
r..

Thanks for the welcome. I lurked for a while until I decided to join up so I could see the pictures in your IntelliCenter review You my good sir have been an incredible source of influence on my choice of the IntelliCenter. I’ve studied your posts and harvested the bits of information I needed to answer most all my questions. My PB is familiar with the older Pentair automation and wasn’t aware a newer system was available. He has been super cool in giving me a lot of freedom to modify the build. So far it’s coming along well and I look forward to it’s completion.

 

[MyAZPool]

Thanks for the welcome. I lurked for a while until I decided to join up so I could see the pictures in your IntelliCenter review You my good sir have been an incredible source of influence on my choice of the IntelliCenter. I’ve studied your posts and harvested the bits of information I needed to answer most all my questions. My PB is familiar with the older Pentair automation and wasn’t aware a newer system was available. He has been super cool in giving me a lot of freedom to modify the build. So far it’s coming along well and I look forward to it’s completion.

THANK YOU!

 

[kevinp768]

Thank you. This is a perfect explanation. Our builder does a basic fiberglass install. They've never offered up extra's unless I ask and I always have to talk to his office girl who is a go between and it takes multiple calls of back and forth to get each little thing figured out. It's been a little frustrating to put this build together like this. It's almost over though so it'll be worth it. I'm going to show this response to my husband.

Without posting a link, the ones I purchased from amazon were titled
"4 Pack Swimming Pool Spa Fountain Deck Jet Water Fall Stream Feature ARC Waterfall"

So far so good with them, but I don't use them a ton as it can drive up the PH and they can be a little loud. It was mostly just a fun add on that my pool builder let me tie in myself.

 

[bernstma]

Hi Everyone,

I just had a semi-in ground pool installed and I want to run 3 deck jets that I am purchasing on ebay or amazon. They are like $70 a piece either the Jandy or CMP. I am confused at how to plumb the piping for the equalization loop. I have a Hayward Superpump with a DE filter that would run the jets along with the regular returns. The pool guys plumbed an extra line with a jandy valve on 1-1/2 inch PVC flex pipe as the main line to feed the jets. Initially I was going to install 2 jets but I figured 3. The pictures attached shows the two jandy valves.. the one on the far right controls the extra jet line and the main returns. The second picture shows the flex pvc where I capped off one of the lines that tees off from the main jet line. The second one is in the back you can't see. I am trying to figure out how to run the 3 jets with their own control valves from the equalization loop but I am confused. I was going to attach attach these two ends as the loop and then branch off with 3 tees going from 1-1/2 to 3/4 to each jet.. however, I figure I have to bring the plumbing back to the pad with the shutoff valves and then back to the jets. I hope this explains it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[kevinp768]

Hi Everyone,

I just had a semi-in ground pool installed and I want to run 3 deck jets that I am purchasing on ebay or amazon. They are like $70 a piece either the Jandy or CMP. I am confused at how to plumb the piping for the equalization loop. I have a Hayward Superpump with a DE filter that would run the jets along with the regular returns. The pool guys plumbed an extra line with a jandy valve on 1-1/2 inch PVC flex pipe as the main line to feed the jets. Initially I was going to install 2 jets but I figured 3. The pictures attached shows the two jandy valves.. the one on the far right controls the extra jet line and the main returns. The second picture shows the flex pvc where I capped off one of the lines that tees off from the main jet line. The second one is in the back you can't see. I am trying to figure out how to run the 3 jets with their own control valves from the equalization loop but I am confused. I was going to attach attach these two ends as the loop and then branch off with 3 tees going from 1-1/2 to 3/4 to each jet.. however, I figure I have to bring the plumbing back to the pad with the shutoff valves and then back to the jets. I hope this explains it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

In theory, if they are on an equalization loop they shouldn't need their own valves as pressure should be the same to each jet. For individual control you would either need home runs for each jet to the return pad, or a valve tee'd off of a supply line near each valve. If you have individual valves for each jet from the equipment pad you shouldn't need an equalization loop though. I attached a pic of how I plumbed mine. I'm definitely not an expert by any means so take this with a grain of salt.