Abandoned Pool - Suggestions Please

[Backyard_Lap_Pool]

Great info, back_yard_lap_pool. Are both Stenner setups chlorine? Why two? Can you share why you went Stenner instead of SWG?

Are you running two completely independent setups, or do they share some plumbing? Your pic shows both injectors in the same pipe. Are those the chlorine injectors?

Did you have to go with the Intellitouch over EasyTouch because of the complexity of the "two of everything?"

Just looking to give the OP a sense of what they're in for... Any other pics to share? Would love to see the whole setup...

That is a shot of half the chem system - there’s another box on the left of this with a 3rd tank. One quill on the 2nd picture injects bleach, and the other injects acid. (Didn’t mention the acid for simplicity of the first post.)

I went with intellitouch i10+3 at the recommendation of pool contractor for current automation and future automation flexibility.

We went Stenner because we had a cheap source for bleach and there is a fair amount of stainless equipment around the pool that I was concerned would rust faster around salt water... I kind of weighed the cost of replacing swg’s every few years against just buying bleach and decided bleach was simpler and roughly the same cost (assuming 2-3 year lifespan on 2 large swg units).

The setup complexity is largely due to the spa, lights, automated valves for water features - but if the OP is keeping it simple (pump, filter, sanitizer), most of the piping, valving, wiring and automation won’t apply. Here is a quick shot of the equipment pad area though for reference.

 

[kimkats]

Thanks for your input!!!

Kim

 

[YippeeSkippy]

Check out the pic of this 50,000 gal pool, and the pad in the background, and the signature. This might be someone to have a chat with:

Post what your pool cost you to build... - Page 2

MartinKennedy... he's a poster who has a massive pool down in Texas. Check his posts out. Although his is plaster, the equipment may help?

Who's building it and how much?

Maddie

 

[Dirk]

That is a shot of half the chem system - there’s another box the left of this on with a 3rd tank. One quill on the 2nd picture injects bleach, and the other injects acid. (Didn’t mention the acid for simplicity of the first post.)

I went with intellitouch i10+3 at the recommendation of pool contractor for current automation and future automation flexibility.

We went Stenner because we had a cheap source for bleach and there is a fair amount of stainless equipment around the pool that I was concerned would rust faster around salt water... I kind of weighed the cost of replacing swg’s every few years against just buying bleach and decided bleach was simpler and roughly the same cost (assuming 2-3 year lifespan on generator units and 2 large swg units).

The setup complexity is largely due to the spa, lights, automated valves for water features - but if the OP is keeping it simple (pump, filter, sanitizer), most of the piping, valving, wiring and automation won’t apply. Here is a quick shot of the equipment pad area though for reference.

Thanks for the pic. Whew, that is quite a setup. Looks to be a very competent installation. But, yah, let's hope the OP can keep it to one set of everything.

Nice back flow preventer and meter! (Yah, I noticed!!)

 

[Backyard_Lap_Pool]

It’s been a while so I went to check prices on the intelliflo vs.
I see it on wholesalepoolequipment for about $925 (3hp), the quad de 100 for $1,025.

Poolweb has the Stenner/30gal combo tanks for about $450 depending on model.

Add say... $500 for pluming labor/sundries and $500 for electrician/sundries and assuming your existing pipes are sound, you could probably get set up for around $4k on the equipment side of things...

 

[PoolguyinCT]

Im installing double barrel ic60 next week.

Thought I’d post the manifold.

 

[ajw22]

Nice, share a pic when the IC60s are mounted on ut.

 

[PoolguyinCT]

Ughh!! I may have jinxed it - the deposit check bounced!

Btw that’s an OEM Pentair manifold.

 

[TWAcres]

Pool Project Update:

We were looking forward to a firm quote on Friday . . . Pool company no-showed and didn't return either of my calls (earlier in day to confirm time or after appointment time to see if they were were still coming). And, unfortunately, this is the only company I have found in a 50 mile radius that does custom liners. So . . . . looks like we may go back to our original plan of DIY plaster using a product like Sider-Crete and an epoxy pool paint. Which means the pool may not happen this summer :-(

Not to worry though, plenty of other non-pool projects coming up in August to keep us busy while we continue our research. Loving the equipment suggestions (thank you) and no, we will not be heating the pool (we are plenty warm during the summer and often well into Autumn).

Also, since it looks like we are back to tackling this project ourselves, any suggestions on modifications before we plaster? Duraleigh suggested rounding out the corners and floor-to-wall connections for easier cleaning. Anything else we should consider? Sitting ledges?

Thanks, again, for everyone's knowledge and input - it's been invaluable.

~ Tumbleweed Acres

 

[Dirk]

Sorry to hear about the contractor flaking. Why is that typical? Oh well.

Just a thought:

Why the 50-mile radius limit? My surface was redone by a company well over two hours away. Some will make a drive, if the job is worth doing. Did you try contacting liner contractors farther out?

I don't know anything about it, but it did seem to me a liner was the best way to go. I would think a lot could go wrong trying to make that combination of components waterproof: concrete slab, block walls with mortar, plus the material you'll use to reshape the corners, etc? That's a lot of materials and seams and joints. Can one rely on plaster in that application to hold and not crack?

I think I got up-charged once for travel expenses for some special work I had done. But other than that I got their normal rates for what they did, even though they were from Southern CA (I'm in Central). Might be worth some phone calls, ya never know...

 

[kimkats]

Well bummer but I am with Dirk and say call some more people further out. All they can do is say no but man the waiting around and then not showing up is NOT good and really gets under my skin................I HATE waiting so when they don't even show or call...........gurrrrrrrrrrrrrr BAD, BAD, MEAN people!

 

[Dirk]

Sidebar...

I used to think that common courtesy, common decency, was, well, common. And that it should be inherent. But now that I'm helping to raise three small children, I realize that humans, at birth, don't know squat about jack, at all, and are anything but courteous and decent! Absolute wild animals. They have to be taught everything, I mean absolutely everything, and, like 1000 times it seems, before they finally get it. Even 18 years isn't always enough time for that. In other words, it's not the fault of the jerks that no show and don't even bother to call, it's their mamas'!!

That's right, I said it!!!

Oh, no he di-ant!

 

[Arizonarob]

You go girl!! ~ snap snap snap ~

 

[Dirk]

Holla!

 

[TWAcres]

Sorry to hear about the contractor flaking. Why is that typical? Oh well.

Just a thought:

Why the 50-mile radius limit? My surface was redone by a company well over two hours away. Some will make a drive, if the job is worth doing. Did you try contacting liner contractors farther out?

Okay, going to widen my search radius. I'll keep you posted.

 

[sktn77a]

If you're considering rounding of the corners and bottom, it begs the question why not do the whole thing with cement and then either put in a liner or plaster. I'm a plaster buff myself - never liked liners, but I know there are lots of folks really love them.

 

[TWAcres]

If you're considering rounding of the corners and bottom, it begs the question why not do the whole thing with cement and then either put in a liner or plaster. I'm a plaster buff myself - never liked liners, but I know there are lots of folks really love them.

We would prefer plaster too, only because the only pool "liners" we've had experience with are the throw away kiddie pools. And, since we haven't moved immediately on the pool, it's given us some time to really think about changes we may want to make (what we like or don't like at other pools). So, as of this point, it's still up in the air whether we plaster or line.

~ Tumbleweed Acres

 

[YippeeSkippy]

I see your gorgeous dog. If he's a swimmer, he has the chance to put his nails on the liner and cause problems. Plaster is much better if you plan on letting the dogs in.

Maddie

 

[Dirk]

Again, no expert here...

Wasn't this a lined pool originally? I would expect the construction methods for the slab floor and block walls, specifically their connection, would not be as stringent as they would be for a plaster pool. The integrity of the structure could be quite a bit more lenient for a liner pool, I would think. It only has to hold in the water-filled liner, which is flexible, it doesn't have to provide the same kind of rock-solid foundation to support plaster, to keep it watertight, to keep it from cracking, because it is not flexible. See what I mean? How are you going to know if the existing structure can withstand the forces of nature on one side and a pool full of water on the other, enough to not shift around enough to crack the plaster? Could that even be determined now, by any sort of expert, who can't actually view how the construction was done, the rebar layout, the materials used to set the blocks, etc?

I just read in another thread here that some pool concrete floors don't require any rebar at all. Here. Does that apply to this pool?

It's possible you'll only get the final determination on this after you've spent, what, $15-20K on plaster, or even more on other types of surfaces, when the pool is full and it's holding water, or not. Yikes!

How does one determine ahead of time if their shell can support plaster? Especially if it never has before?

And I think you can still reconfigure the pool, if you go liner. Not sky's-the-limit like a freeform plaster pool, but I think certain things would be available. Others here can advise about that.

Sorry, don't have any answers. Just questions...

 

[kimkats]

Dirk.......help me think this through...........water is water and weighs the same thing if it is held in a plastic bag or bowl.......I am going to do some poking around and asking to see if there is a something with the a pool that would make it HAVE to have a liner instead of plaster or such....We will meet back here and compare notes.

Kim (my pm box is about to get a work out!!)