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Posted these on FB and instagram and almost forgot to post here! Mike got 18 more done yesterday and he's and work today and tomorrow so maybe we'll be done with coping by this weekend ??[emoji51] only 20 more to go
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J, You had those made for YOUR pool right? How do you know which ones go where?

Only 20 more to go so more than half way done!

Do you have any extra or pieces to mess around with? I was thinking it might be helpful to try out the different grouts/joint stuff to see what you like the best on "junk" pieces first.

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J, You had those made for YOUR pool right? How do you know which ones go where?
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So the manufacturer sends out one of their people to measure. And I say measure very loosely because there is not a measuring tape involved...it's more like templating. He came with a bunch of coping templates that look like coping made out of stencil material that he placed over the bondbeam. He started at the skimmer and worked his way around the pool to the bar top then from the skimmer around the spa to the bar top. As he went he would lay three coping templates down at a time - always keeping the last one down to place the next two in line then write down the "names" of the stone. The "names" (just alphabet letters like "A", "B", "C"...etc.) are stamped on the side of each stone - except for the straights those are unmarked. Each letter is linked to a radius as you go up the alphabet the radius gets larger. We have a bunch of "F", "G" and "I" radiuses. So F is a tighter radius than I. When he was done measuring he drew a "map" (his words I'd call it a diagram but whatever semantics) based on the radiuses and straights he wrote down. He placed an order based on that and gave us the paper with his drawing. So technically they were made for our pool but off of precast molds. Since the templates were see through he would overlap them occasionally to get the right coverage over the bondbeam and that is where the cuts come in to make it a custom fit.

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Do you have any extra or pieces to mess around with? I was thinking it might be helpful to try out the different grouts/joint stuff to see what you like the best on "junk" pieces first.
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Good idea! We have three extras [emoji1303]





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Please forgive the dumb question, but i'm curious why you chose to put the decking on before the waterline tile? I ask this because my pool (cantilevered concrete) had the waterline tile first. The PB explained this was to "set" the level of everything else, and in some places the tile was maybe 1/4" above the top of the beam. They then used mortar to fill in behind these tiles to insure they were fully supported.

So are you leveling the bottom of the deck so you can just use that as a guide for your waterline tiles? Maybe this is a different technique for non-cast decking, or just a builders technique?
 
I would call that limited custom! Neat way to do it! Thanks for sharing how it was done!

Beach it is funny how different builders do it all so different. Some say this first ONLY while other say that first! They both think they are doing it the correct way and they are both right. It is what they know works for them.

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Please forgive the dumb question, but i'm curious why you chose to put the decking on before the waterline tile? I ask this because my pool (cantilevered concrete) had the waterline tile first. The PB explained this was to "set" the level of everything else, and in some places the tile was maybe 1/4" above the top of the beam. They then used mortar to fill in behind these tiles to insure they were fully supported.

So are you leveling the bottom of the deck so you can just use that as a guide for your waterline tiles? Maybe this is a different technique for non-cast decking, or just a builders technique?
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Never dumb! In fact I wondered this too for awhile. Actually doing it really helped me understand though.

The bondbeam - as you pointed out isn't level. So if we tiled first some would hang over the edge. Maintaining the integrity of a tile when you later will be placing a mortar bed and an extremely heavy stone on it would be questionable. The precast stones have to be installed on a mortar bed. They have the same thickness throughout so once set on a level bed should also create a level line along the bottom edge of them. The mortar bed + water proofing membrane + thinset is thick so all of the tile would need to be above the coping in order to cover the mortar bed - so now it's not an occasional tile that is a 1/4" above the surface of the bondbeam but 1/2"-1" of all the tile that sits above the bondbeam. Impossible almost but you could still do it, I guess...but why work so hard? And our tile choice is 1x2" glass brick - that would leave entire tiles hanging off barely supported. Plus, the glass is see through so the backing needs to be uniform - it would be hard to match the two up mortar and thinset so that you don't see the color change. Although some thinsets can be used as mortar-but are pretty expensive.

Cantilevered coping can be installed before or after tile it just depends on the installers preference. We got bids from both types but in the end chose precast so that we could diy it.

Here's a diagram to show how the tile goes over part of the mortar bed
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Maybe Brian could weigh in on ways that he's done it - since I can only speak from my current experience


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I haven't done much precast coping but it really isn't that much different.

I always do the coping before the waterline tile. Since the coping needs to be just as level as the tile, I don't really see it making much of a difference. Most of my jobs get cantilevered coping so the form work needs to be strong. Installing the tile first would make setting the forms much more difficult and increase the chances of damaging and/or staining the tile.

It really doesn't matter so long as they are level. In the case of the precast coping I would do it the same way that you are.
 

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joanniern said:
I figured I should just in case someone comes along as crazy as me and wants to do their own coping [emoji1303]


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nothing crazy about that! There is a great amount of personal satisfaction from doing it yourself, knowing you did something the vast majority of people can't/won't do. Plus, if something is wrong, you know exactly how it was put together, and can fix it. Plus, you always know where to find the person who goofed it up..LOL.
 
Joannie, Hi! I'm just now seeing your thread and I have to say(like everyone else) I'm so impressed!! Your project is going to be beautiful when completed! The coping is gorgeous!! Love how your sweet kiddos are getting in on the action! I'll be following from here out. Blessings to you from an ICU RN!
 
It's a work of art! Time to pop open some adult beverages and give those lounge chairs a go :cheers:

Question - what the plan to hide the equipment pad? Mini pool house?


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