CircuPool SWG Issue

We have recently noticed that our Circulpool RJ 45+ has been acting up. Currently it is showing 133° temperature and no salt when we are measuring 4100 ppm and the temperatures are just normal Florida weather. Last weekend I attempted to clean the salt cell and got very little bubbles and it was quite clean. This weekend I checked chlorine levels and it was not producing chlorine and indicating low salt and to service the generator. Clearly there’s an issue but hoping to try to start solving it before I call Techsupport on Monday. Does anyone have any suggestions? thank you in advance.

Active 20 acting like a Polaris

I am so happy I switched to a Maytronics over 6–7 years ago. Love the things. My first may S200gave me 4 yr.

4/21 I purchased an active 20. And then months later, I purchased a new controller.

Figured I’d get at least another four out of it. Fingers crossed we do.

Anyhow, what’s currently happening is that for a few weeks now it’s been making a weird, clicking noise. Tried to diagnose its behavior last night. It just was staying in the shallow end, cleaning, the same spots over and over. I unplugged it, untangle the cord, clean the filters and basket, put it back in the deep end, and let it get to work. It started acting normal, but then I noticed it was cleaning the sidewall and then went up and on the bottom/underside of my solar pool cover. It went literally from one side of the pool across to the other attached to the pool cover. I’m not saying getting tangled in the cover, but traveling across the cover. It was actually amazing. I’ve never seen it climb and cross the bottom of my pool cover. Usually it just goes up the wall, hits the surface, and goes back down.

I gave Marina Pool & Spa a call. Spoke with Margaret, and then her tech. They told me about swapping the tracks and the front wheels. Prior to doing that, that’s when I noticed that one of the tracks was off so hence that’s possibly what was making the noise.

Performed their recommendations, threw it back in, and noticed new behaviors. It’s literally cleaning a 2 foot section at the deep end going back and forth to the left and right for now 20 minutes. It really has not done the bottom at all. It’s just gone across a few times, and found it happy place in the deep end wall at the surface.

What in the wide world is going on with this active 20? This mystery behavior reminiscent of my old Polaris when it would just spin circles in the deep end and I’d just started throwing parts at it and trying to figure out what it was.

Pool too hot

Here in sunny, hot and humid Florida my pool temp was 94 degrees yesterday. I like a warm pool but not that warm. Not sure if there's anything I can do to lower the temp before we have guests next weekend who really want to swim. I do have solar but the display on my Pentair Solar Touch is wonky and I can't read it enough to change it to the cooling mode. I tried buying one of those cheapo fountains from Amazon a couple years ago but it didn't fit my returns. The returns are the eyeball type with a ring that holds the eyeball in. If I remove that there is a piece of threaded pipe that comes out of the side of the pool. All the fountains I've looked at screw in with threaded male attachments. Would running the pump at night make any difference? Humidity is running at about 75% and the dew point is 76-80 if that makes any difference. Pool isn’t screened and gets full sun all day. We've had no rain for the past week to cool down the pool either. Sure hoping we get some this week.

Sub Panel

Electrician replaced sub panel. Feed comes in from the rear. 2 hots and ground run out lower left to timer box. Hot, neutral and ground go out bottom for a 115V outlet. Issues:

1. 30 Amp dual pole breaker on left doesn't have a connecting bar. I've never seen one like this. I googled and some said it doesn't matter, the tripping occurs internally?

2. Grounds and neutrals are combined on ground bar. Wouldn't I have partial load going back to main panel on my ground wire? The bus bar is connected to my enclosure, so my enclosure is connected to Neutral. Thinking I should just take the 2 neutrals off the ground bar and use wire nut?

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New Member

Hello, I’m new on this site and pool management. I’ve had my pool for 3 months now and I feel like I keep spending money to keep it good. I’ve spent probably about $1000 in chemicals. Everytime I go to the store to get my water tested, I have to buy something to fix something even though my water has stayed crystal clear the whole time. So I need some professional help so I’m not spending too much on chemicals. Thank you! Lykebu

Ecofinish questions

I have an in ground white fiberglass pool 23,000 gallon 16'X36' depth 3'-8' since 97 when we bought house. Pool was put in 80-81 believe it was called an Ester Williams. Had it re-gel coat 2015, lasted till 2022. Last year had Ecofinish put on looked great, had some areas that company will take care of (off season). This year noticed dark brown blotches mainly on vertical part of stairs but small ones else wheres. Checked it out and used vitamin C did the trick. Got some ascorbic acid at pool store. Added it to pool as instructed used Mikes Magic blue after acid, and pool fluff filter. After a day or two running pump, back washed pool looked great spots gone. After 4-5 days noticed a brownish ring around pool. Checked an area with ascorbic acid and presto ring disappears. I am on well water so not a great mystery where coming from but never had this bad an issue. How do you keep all metal out of pool once stains removed?
Thanks for any thoughts on the matter.

Running time for SWG

Hi all,

I have a PureChlor SWG, with a timer on the panel. I have currently set it to run for app 8 hours (the pump runs for 10 hours a day at 10m3 per hour, the pool is 38m3 or 10k gal). There is 3500 ppm salt in the pool.

I cannot find any instruction on how long time the SWG should run for. The setting is at 6 out of 8 on the SWG. I "feel" that there is enough FC (i.e. I can barely smell it on my skin), and my titration test shows app. 3-4 ppm.

Another question: can you test the amount of stabilizer by analyzing the free chlorine right after the SWG shuts off (e.g. at 6 pm) and then again just before it turns on (e.g. 11 am) the next day. If the reading shows the same, and the SWG hasn't been on in those 16 hours, this must mean that there is enough stabilizer. Am I right?
Thanks!

Free chlorine

Hi all!
I’ve been testing my pool myself using the Taylor k2006. Happy to be doing this as my results aren’t all over the place like they were with the pool store results. That being said my FC is at 11.5. I’ve got my SWG set at 53% which is clearly too high but is there a way to determine what I should set it at? My CYA is 75. This is the second year with the pool and I don’t think I even thought about changing the setting on the SWG until I started testing own water. Any advice is much appreciated 😊

Hello from PA.

Hello from Pennsylvania. I am very happy to have found this forum. I've had a pool for the last three summers and I ultimately want to be able to do all of the work myself, but I have left it up to pool companies so far. I have found it so frustrating that everyone tells me something different with my pool equipment! I'm looking forward to getting some real answers to my questions here! And I'm also exited to learn how to navigate my pool system. So glad to be here.

Waterline Tile Help!

Hi there - I posted an intro message the other day, but we are resurfacing the pool in a home we just purchased in Arizona. Unfortunately we are living in MN and don't have options to look at in person. Choosing things online is a challenge. We are going to use Blue Surf Pebblesheen. The max pool depth I believe is 5 feet, maybe 5.5. Has anyone used either of these waterline tiles with Blue Surf? Or do you have another waterline tile suggestion (2x2, not glass)? I don't want it to look purple. :)

Hoping that pdf shows up. :) New to this forum, AND to pools! ;) THANK YOU!

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Low Filter Flow, Strong on Recirculate

I’m having a problem with filtration that I can’t figure out. I hooked up my Lil’ Shark vac yesterday and started to vacuum the bottom of the pool. It had good suction and was doing what it was supposed to do. I checked back a couple hours later and noticed that it wasn’t moving and had very low suction on filter, but very strong on recirculate. I could hear some thing that sounded like a stone circulating in the pump, so I turned it off. Earlier, when I was walking in the pool, I did find a couple chlorine granules that were several millimeters in size. I figured one of them somehow made it into the pump so I took everything apart today but found nothing of substantial size. I made sure the impeller was clean. I hooked everything back up and I still have the same problem but no longer hearing the rattling sound. I did find an acrylic fingernail in the pump so that may have been the noise culprit. Even after the clean out, I have great suction on recirculate, but barely enough to keep the basket in place on filter. I have backwashed approximately 60 seconds and rinsed approximately 30 seconds three times. PSI is running 11-13 both prior and after backwash.

The only things I didn’t check was I didn’t disconnect the return line which has an AquaSmart pack attached to it or actually open the sand filter. Filter was working great before I vacuumed and for the first couple hours. I’m new pool owner and learned last night I did the rookie mistake of attaching the vac line directly to the skimmer instead of using the vac attachment that came with the skimmer. I can’t believe I did that, wasn’t thinking! With the pump off, I rotated the filter handle several times clockwise in case something happened to be stuck. I’m thinking next step is to open the sand filter? It was a used pool so the filter head is used but I put brand new laterals in before filling with glass media. Again, it had great suction for several hours till a couple hours after I hooked up the vacuum. Recirculating suction is strong.

Any suggestions or explanation as to why I have almost no suction? Pump is primed and water flowing through it. Water is just a tiny bit cloudy but I have a fair amount of sediment on the bottom. Robot vac is coming today or tomorrow. Taylor k2006 test kit is supposed to come today. Test strips show both free and total chlorine about 2, ph and alk. both in ideal range. CYA shows low but I’ve read test strip reading is typically way off. Water is pretty clear but you can see some sediment that has settled in the middle and some low spots. Sorry so long, wanted to be thorough. Thanks for reading and for any help you might be able to offer!IMG_7987.jpeg

SLAM while out of town?

I noticed a tiny bit of algae on one pool wall the other day and knew I was going out of town this weekend, so I ignored it. Bad idea. This morning, it's still not tons, but it's on all 4 walls and a tiny bit on the bottom, so I shocked this morning and have the pump set to run all weekend while I'm away.

I have someone who can add chlorine, but not test the chemicals this weekend. Am I better off:
1) Having her add one gallon of chlorine tonight (Friday) and tomorrow morning (Saturday) and then I'll check when I'm back on Sunday afternoon, OR
2) Setting my salt cell to 100% and hopefully keeping the levels high enough to resume the SLAM Sunday afternoon without too much more algae?

If I go with option 1, my only concern is that the levels would get overly high.

How do you manually vacuum a pool (step-by-step for dummies)?

Hi - We've had our pool a year, and I have been using the robotic cleaner. Our pool company gave me the manual vacuum but did not show me how to use it. Do I first put in time out mode? Or No? Do I turn the main skimmer thing off? If I put my vacuum hose into one of the three holes that are seen in the picture, where does the debris go? There are no leaves; it's just maybe dust or sand that I'm wanting to get up and mainly from the hot tub since it has never been vacuumed? Could someone please provide a step-by-step guide. I have a Pentair system.

Thanks,
LaDonna

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Trouble with TF-100 FC test

I'm currently testing my Free Chlorine for the first time using the TF-100 test kit. I added the R-0870 powder which turned the water pink. I then started adding drops of R-0871 to the water. It first turned clear at 35 drops, I figured out the FC, but by the time I was done calculating the water turned pink again. So I started adding more drops of R-0871. Cleared at 43 drops, but then my baby started crying, by the time I got back it was pink again. I'm now at 60 drops! I don't know what's going on. Should I just start over?

White stains on new construction (1 year) rock wall grout

I have this white residue building up on the rock wall grout, on our 1 year old pool. I was assuming it's calcium deposits, but I can't remove with anything so far. It's present on both retaining wall and non-retaining wall side of pool, so I don't think it's anything seeping through.

8:1 muriatic acid/water does nothing, no bubbling. Brushing with stainless brush does nothing. This stuff is hard!

My CSI is -0.18

Any suggestion appreciated!

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pump starts with a lot of air in the system

For the past few days, when the system starts it's full of air. On startup, the returns look like when I flush out the system with air, so I think the filter dome thing is probably empty. I must I have an air leak causing the system to lose water into the pool over night.

Earlier this season when I opened I also had an air leak in the system but it wasn't this bad, the system would only have a little bit of air when it started up. But that had another side effect, it would discharge a ton of DE into the pool and it would be noticeably cloudy. This time, the pool is clear so it doesn't look like the earlier issue. Although the robot vacuum is picking up a little bit of DE, so maybe it is. I fixed that leak by cleaning the pump cover really well. The system was working really well after that.

So now I am wondering, do I have the same problem again, or is it different because of the different symptoms?

The only other thing I am concerned about is that the inline chlorinator broke, so I just bypassed it in the system with the hose it comes with. I would like to have a plug for the chlorinator holes in the plumbing so I can count that out as a problem. Anyone know where to buy that? I am not sure what to search for. It's a hayward chlorinator.

Replace Kreepy with another Kreepy?

I have an in-ground pool in San Diego, about 15K gallons, more or less kidney-shaped, so the only 90-degree corners are where the wall divides the pool from the spa. Resurfaced in fiberglass in 2005, which is holding up well.

I bought a Kreepy Krauly classic K70405 in 2013. The hose goes directly into the skimmer so it just runs four hours a day with the pump. I count on it to clean up leaves and debris (the pool is surrounded by trees) and also to "brush" the bottom and sides of the pool to dislodge algae that may be forming.

The Kreepy used to work okay, though it seemed subject to a lot of variability depending on pump speed, depth, jet direction, etc. Over time, I had to replace all the hose sections, which I did with (somewhat heavier) after-market sections. Then the pleated seal deteriorated I replaced it with an aftermarket seal that has never "stuck" to the bottom as well. More recently, the two wings on the side fell off, which may explain why the unit now floats an inch or two off the bottom as it moves around.

What's my best move now? Keep the old one but buy all new genuine parts? Buy a new Kreepy? Which one? The 360042 looks closest to what I have, but the K60430 Kruiser is $100 less. This podcast favors the Classic for better debris pickup, which I have a lot of--I'm used being able to yank a stuck twig out of the throat of the Kreepy when it stops clicking. I saw one recommendation for a Zodiac MX8 or G3 over a Kreepy (for vinyl). In this 2011 thread, the PoolCleaner is the bees' knees. Budget is probably up to $400.

If there is some unbiased review and comparison of current models, I'd be glad to see a link.

Thanks,

Mark

Automation/timer for Heat Pump and VS pump or not needed?

I've been searching and can't find an answer that seems to work for what I'm thinking. I know this is "simple", but I haven't seen a post (or not searching correctly) for what I'm looking for.

I have Raypack Heat Pump and currently 2 speed 1.5hp pump. I will be changing over to a IntelliFlo VS pump, because I like the cost savings on energy use and the programing functions of the speeds. My flow meter reads about 40gpm on hihgh and I use .8kwh pulling around 9amps. I am trying to go more energy efficient where I can. I run it 24/7 on high speed. My heater will run on low speed, but I don't know that speed because my meter doesn't go that low.

How do I control the heater with the VS pump? I only want the heater running on "high" speed. I've seen about controlling it with some wiring from heater to VS pump, but I can't seem straight info that I need. I also, don't want the heater running from the hours of 9pm-8am. How do I control both? I have looked into automation, and yes it's very expensive, but I do like the features (Waterway Oasis). I won't be changing over to the new pump until next spring, but If I could control when the heater runs now, that would be cool.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Plan for equipment overhaul

I'm making a plan to overhaul my pool equipment. I wanted to post here to see what the experts think and to make sure I'm not totally off the reservation.

Here is my current equipment:
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My first course of action will be to build a proper pad and get my equipment out of the dirt. I would rather cut and frame lumber than dig and pour concrete so I was thinking about building a ground level 6x8 deck on pre-formed concrete piers. If this is a terrible plan I would probably do patio pavers over pouring concrete.

Second course of action is the equipment. Everything works without issue. I believe the filter and heater are more than adequate for my needs. I want to upgrade to a variable speed pump and I think the pentair intelliflo 3 would be the best fit for my setup.

The Polaris booster pump, inline chlorinator, and copper mineral dispenser are all going to be removed because none of them are being nor will be used.

I want to install a swcg. At first blush it seems the pentair ic-30 would be the best fit for my system. However, after comparing the pentair swcgs to others on the market they seem to fall short on every relevant factor. Shorter cell life, less chlorine generation per hour, poor warranty, bad reviews, and higher cost.

I also want to update my control center to enable wifi control. I was planning to buy the screen logic controller bundle for the easy touch 4 but then I saw another thread where it was recommended to upgrade the whole panel to an intellicenter. It seems wifi support is built into the intellicenter so does that upgrade path make more sense with my setup?

Final course of action is to upgrade my plumbing. The PVC ball valves are all going to be eliminated and replaced with jandy style shutoff valves. I want to install a bypass for the heater. I want to split my two skimmers and have them each on their own line. I also would like to upgrade them from 1.5 in pipe to 2 in but I don't know if that's really worth doing. My main drain is plumed into one of my skimmers. I would like it to be independent but I don't think that's possible.

I would like anyone's thoughts, comments, or advice. Especially if you think I'm headed in the wrong direction or if there's something I'm missing.

Thank you all for your time.

A question about keeping algae out of my pool.

First off, this forum is great! My pool has been beautiful since joining this forum a number of years ago. A wealth of knowledge here.
Question: My daughter’s pool cleaner quit working last week and she has been borrowing ours until they can get their’s repaired or replaced.

I went to clean the filters (she forgot🙄) before putting it in my pool and saw the algae on the filters. I sprayed them clean and have them drying in the sun.
If I keep my chlorine on the high end (FC-5+), will that be enough to keep algae out of my pool.
I’m sure it’s not a good idea to share pool cleaners, but she’s my daughter. 🥴
Any advice would be appreciated!

Ch testing (difficult getting accuracy)

I’ve tested CH several times and is one of the most difficult tests. I used the fading test where I added 5 drops r-0012 to begin. Here is some pictures, it’s hard to see, there was color particles floating around when stopped. After the test , it changed back to purple. Not sure if this is accurate.

The first one is the start of the test after the 5 drops of 0012 and the last picture is how it changed back to color. The prior picture where it’s blue is 13 drops at 10ml

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